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the Chad Kayla is here we're gonna talk

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way a TweetDeck is an official twitter

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accident man that sounds cool Rita and I

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really enjoyed it all right hashtag have

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to be at J Turks radio that is Twitter

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Jimmy and Jimmy church radio calm all of

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our other social medias over on the

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website Jimmy Church radio comm you can

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follow like and subscribe right there

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also the new website is blazing fast you

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minor stuff the website is amazing and I

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do want to thank drew for all of his

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hard work go over and check it out go to

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the membership area podcast the shopping

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area all of that is so cool and so fast

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a tanker hauling 40,000 pounds of liquid

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chocolate blocking a flowing traffic in

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biodegradable and the driver wasn't

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think everybody talked about hivemind I

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used to have a dream when I was a kid of

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pudding and I had and and can okay so

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again and my teacher said you can't swim

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in chocolate pudding you would sink you

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40,000 pounds of liquid taco but you

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that's that's like boiling and you would

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singe in that thumb and your skin would

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toast off but what a but a great thought

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and so if this happened on the freeway

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good stuff or or not but it happened

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has an out in California has announced

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the chapter 11 bankruptcy code on or

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restructuring phase and I am going to go

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out on a strange thought here because

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they have claimed liability does this

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mean that they will not be paying out

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any lawsuits and can they do that under

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a chapter 11 bankruptcy and just claim

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that there is no money there just my

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thoughts I watched all of and read all

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that I could today zero mention of this

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just my thoughts all right I mentioned

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earlier we will be at the crystal matrix

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Sunday January 20th we're gonna be

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hanging out with Carolyn Ford and

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Einstein the ancient Crystal Skull and

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all of the information that you need is

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at the crystal matrix calm the address

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is 32 15 Glendale Boulevard in Atwater

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Village which is right next to Glendale

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Angeles California and their phone

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number which you must call you've got to

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make arrangements for this it's gonna be

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packed okay but I want to see some fader

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nuts there I'm gonna see some fade to

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black t-shirts the phone number is three

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big ceremony okay so three two three six

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gonna be there at least our Friz gonna

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be there and I haven't even checked with

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Lisa but I'm assuming she is going to be

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there all right so we'll see everybody

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at the crystal matrix this Sunday

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January 20th all right and then right

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after that we've got a bunch of events

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that is the 2019 conscious life Expo

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right here in Los Angeles at the LAX

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Hilton that is February 22nd through the

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25th and of course this year we're

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celebrating the 50th anniversary of

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Chariots of the Gods with Erich von

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däniken all right just go to the

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conscious live Expo com

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that's all you have to do click on their

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banner a Tumi Church radio calm for

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tickets and a full conference schedule

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then after that our next event is

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contact in the desert May 31st through

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June 3rd in Indian Wells Palm Springs

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California at the Renaissance Indian

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Wells Resort and Spa tickets and info at

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contact in the desert calm also now at

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that event ok for both of these events

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for the conscious life Expo and contact

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conscious life Expo Friday night you

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need to get tickets for my panel with

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Erich von däniken and that's a separate

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item so you got to do that a conscious

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life Expo and eye contact in the desert

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this show cracking happy birthday to

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today the one and only Zakk Wylde today

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is 51 years old all right let's see who

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post the Jimmy Zakk Wylde picture first

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in Twitter let's see what happens I'll

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give you a special mention I'll give you

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a retweet Zakk Wylde today is 51 also

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today Dave Grohl is 49 I would have

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that but now he's not he's just 49 years

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young today on this day in history 1943

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and I'm gonna tell you this is this is a

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weird on this day in history because you

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would have thought this would have

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happened earlier but it happened in 1943

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Franklin Roosevelt becomes the first

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president to travel on official business

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by airplane

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that's right 1943 crossing the Atlantic

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by air Roosevelt flew in a Boeing 314

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flying boat

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dubbed the Dixie clipper to a world war

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two strategy meeting with Winston

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Churchill at Casablanca in North Africa

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on this day in 1943 Fader fact are you

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ready there is a grape called the cotton

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candy grape that tastes just like well

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cotton candy and that is your favored

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fact Kevin Korver comes in strong with

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the Jimmy zakk wylde pick see there you

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go I promise to retweet Kevin and there

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you go so I

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honest I promise

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retweet so there you go see I did it and

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ah there you go it was quick that was

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good Kevin that was good right where am

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I

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series that is currently airing on

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History Channel Project Blue Book well

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the next episode is tomorrow Tuesday

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alright more on that just a bit and Wow

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today I was surfing around to find out

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what the skeptics are saying about

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Project Blue Book and one of the sites

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that I go and visit from time to time is

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I'm gonna say it bad UFOs by Bob

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Schaffer he uses Robert but hey right

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here and now I'm gonna call him Bob but

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and I know what you're thinking I know

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what you're thinking right now you're

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going Jimmy what are you doing on his

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blog well okay look I like to get all

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sides when it comes to an opinion I do

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that but one thing is for sure if there

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are any issues with anything ufo-related

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old bob is is gonna get to the bottom of

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it

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he'll fact-check you to death that's a

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fact

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all right but normally normally bob is

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spot on with the black and white right

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okay and with Project Blue Book or

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anything else like this there are so

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many out there who study history and

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will be very quick you know to

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cross-check the information and I knew

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that Project Blue Book would bring out

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the things that are well you know untrue

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false all right or just outright BS and

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so here you go I'm just going here now

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all right

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bad ufos blog it's called bad UFO

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scepticism UFOs in the universe and

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underneath that there's a byline and I'm

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gonna quote here from

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Robert Schaeffer so I'm going to give

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full credit here reflections on UFOs

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skepticism and practically anything else

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by Robert Schaeffer author of the book

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bad UFOs plus the psychic vibrations

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column in The Skeptical Inquirer all

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right so everybody back up for a second

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just calm down just calm down okay

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this is what Bob Shafer posted on bad

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ufos and I'm quoting here's an off here

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here is an off the top of my head list

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of falsehoods shown or implied in the

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fuller dogfight which was of course

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episode 1 of the project Bluebook series

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all right ok so here we go the fuller

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dogfight now this is what I have to say

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first here the fuller dogfight they

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exchanged a few names I don't even know

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why they did this because fuller is

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exchanged for Gorman all right the

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Gorman dogfight in Project Blue Book

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took place in 1948 and you need to

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understand that first off ok so when we

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say the Fuller dogfight it's actually

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the Gorman dogfight ok ok so here we go

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the first thing Gorman shot at the

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object which he did in the TV series and

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that appears to be false

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ok Gorman was sent to the infirmary for

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an extended period of time with

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psychological problems and again this is

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false this is according to Robert

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Schaeffer but oh more on this in a

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minute ok but that's false

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Gorman collided with the object which

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damaged his plane this was false the UFO

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took control of Gorman's plane also

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false

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Gorman somehow Annamma

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anonymously here's a raid

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stationed during the incident and became

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obsessed with the song also false

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Hynek travelled to Fargo to investigate

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they investigate the case on site and

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this was false now he continues with

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indeed Mark O'Connell author of the

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first biography of J Allen Hynek noted

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on Facebook that in the episode Hynek

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drove from Fargo North Dakota to

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Columbus Ohio seemingly in a matter of

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minutes it's a 15 hour drive today I it

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seems like it would be much longer it's

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a 15 hour drive today but back then

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there were no interstates and again this

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is very interesting and I noticed it

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during the series now Hynek and his

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airforce handler a pilot went up in a

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plane to try to duplicate the encounter

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the plane crash both survived and this

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is beyond ridiculous well also in the

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episode a man in black was watching the

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investigation write uselessly from a

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distance the stories about men and black

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originated with Albert K bender in 1953

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now remember the original classic UFO

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case of the Gorman dogfight was in 1948

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now we're off by about four or five

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years here with the men in black now

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which which okay I've got to state this

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each one of these points that Schafer

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brings out as false

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I had questioned myself in real time

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during the broadcast

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Hynek was in a plane that crashed and he

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survived wait a minute I never heard of

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this before

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men in black in 1948 well we all know

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that was 1953 at the earliest you know

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and I just I just thought that there

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were so many things that seemed to me to

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be to the extreme and if they really

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happened or were reported

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and not in the original project Bluebook

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report where did the information come

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from it seems to me that all of these

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events went down as viewed in the

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episode J Allen Hynek experienced the

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most craziest of things ever and would

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have been out there in the public with

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it he would have spoken about it

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seriously so with the next episode which

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is the flatwoods monster another

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incident that I have researched over the

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years and I think I have a pretty good

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grasp on the facts of the case we're

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gonna see what a History Channel does

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with this and what Hynek experienced

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while investigating and if we're going

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to continue to get the disclaimer at the

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beginning in the end of the show you

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know the based on true events from the

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files of Project Blue Book I have a

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feeling that this is about to get very

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very good and I'm saying it this way

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science fiction good with a strong

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emphasis on fiction it looks like bad

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UFOs in Robert Schaefer are going to

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have a lot to write about over the next

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12 weeks and he should what Bob you see

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this is the thing when Bob picks up on

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your scent he is relentless in his

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pursuit of the truth and I may not

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always agree with Robert which is fair

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but his reporting on TTS a in too long

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Elizondo is some of the best out there

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and yes I admit I like to hang out a bad

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ufos and get my skeptic fix on it's a

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guilty pleasure seriously so that's why

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you need to go over to bad ufos you

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don't have to agree you need to see what

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the other side is thinking and I knew

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that was Project Blue Book that first

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episode I enjoyed Project Blue Book but

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as it rolled on I just kept sitting back

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to and thinking to myself there's no way

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that Hynek didn't crashed in a plane and

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wait was it we need to stop with this

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the men in black but there's two sides

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to this is it just merely

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of license okay so if it's creative

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license that's fine but if you're gonna

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say that this is based on you know

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project Bluebook these are the facts

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then we have an issue here is it

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misleading you know and I I don't know I

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don't know so tomorrow night the

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flatwoods monster of everything that

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they could do flatwoods monster 1952

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some kids are up on a hill they see

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something fly over the hill they go over

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to the top of the hill and walk over to

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the other side boom they see this

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creature glowing eyes hooded craziness

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smells sting and the whole thing just

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took off from there

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now where is Hynek going to get wrapped

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up in the flat wood monster story yeah

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yeah so tomorrow night with a History

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Channel time's gonna tell where they are

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going with this series this is fade to

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black I'm your Jimmy church tonight Chad

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callek is here we're gonna be talking

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about his new documentary which is a

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sequel to cirno face and the new one is

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called to face the gray tomorrow night

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here Oh Simba church tonight

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Chad callek is here that's how chad is

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here he's standing by tomorrow night

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Linda Moulton Howe Wednesday night dr.

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Robert M shot what a great week we've

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got lined up here thank you to everybody

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that's hanging out you can follow me on

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Chad at ATH Chad on Twitter he's right

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there

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Chad kayla has spent over 25 years

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investigating the world's most haunted

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locations and search for answers to the

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bizarre the mysterious and the

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unexplained and although is known for

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capturing some of the most compelling

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evidence in the history of the

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paranormal field he has also developed a

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reputation as a staunch D bunker that's

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right he is the director and producer of

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the American ghost hunter documentary

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which chronicled his family and their 20

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year battle with the paranormal and his

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he's got two documentaries out right

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last year he released the sir no face

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documentary which had a clip of sir no

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face but now he's got a sequel and it is

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called to face the gray all of the links

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for to face the gray are up at over at

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Jimmy Church radio.com

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and we're gonna discuss what to face

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maybe and what it's like for Chad and

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his team to go from ghosts to the world

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of ufology Chad welcome back man how are

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you I'm doing good man thank you for

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having me on I appreciate it

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well let's go straight to the question

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Chad what's it like to go from the

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paranormal and ghosts to ufology right

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you know it's it's as the beginning the

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documentary shows to face the gray it

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was something I was really resistant

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upon doing initially walk for a couple

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reasons one there were all kinds of

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weird things that were going on that

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pointed to the world of you apology as

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we were filming mr. no face but

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admittedly it's kind of that old

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statement if you make something a hammer

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everything's a nail

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because the Australian

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said this is a paranormal case and

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because our minds were so trained of

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that you know it really took going on

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tour with cirno face and the audience

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repeatedly night after night going okay

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you caught something but we think you're

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wrong and I was like oh here here we go

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you know the skeptics are gonna tell me

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I'm fake and Craig's a fraud and all

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this stuff and that's not what we heard

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what we heard is you caught something

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but it's not a ghost it's a gray and as

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I tried to push that off the audience

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push back even harder to the point where

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I had no choice but to really take a

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look at reopen the case lead over a

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thousand requests written to reopen the

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case and to look at it from a a you

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apology standpoint and the one thing

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that I've noticed between the two

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because admittedly I do consider myself

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an expert when it comes to the spiritual

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side ghost side of the paranormal but I

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consider myself more of a fan of you

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apology than I am like I'm not a you

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know dr. Steven Greer you know what I

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mean I haven't spent my whole life

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delving into the world of you apology I

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know about as as much as you know

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another big fan of it but one thing I've

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noticed in the world of the apology is

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there's a lot more fear in the world of

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ethology than there is the world of

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spiritual set of paranormal and I'm I'm

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I'm unfortunately

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learning why it's just a it's a crazy

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world and I'll tell you man in the 25

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years that I spent investigating the

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paranormal and ghosts and spirits and

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debunking stuff never did I have

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anything weird in my life happen and

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since we've been going down the road a

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few apology on this incredible case this

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absolutely mind-blowing case that Craig

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and his team have embarked on as you see

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in the documentaries the weirdness has

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certainly encompassed all of us you know

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I

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disclaimer here for the audience when it

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comes to two-face so everybody

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00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:43,950
understands where you and I are coming

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from of course Chad knows about this but

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I want the audience to know when to face

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came out Chad

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00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,540
immediately contacted me you've got to

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check this out and I need your comments

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00:39:04,130 --> 00:38:59,760
ok and what had with that said to me at

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00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,140
that time was that chad is now in a

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charted territory and yeah and he needs

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00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:09,720
he needs my opinion on a few things so I

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did I watched the entire documentary I

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wrote Chad back we talked on the phone

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and and I inserted a couple of comets

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00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:21,450
none of that was a big deal but he

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00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:25,560
needed some eyes on it from somebody

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00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:27,930
that he would trust that understands the

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00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:30,810
UFO subject and I jumped in on it the

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second thing that I want to have

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everybody know here that when you get in

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to the field of UFOs no matter how no

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00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:46,440
matter how acclimated you are and no

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00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:48,630
matter how much of a seasoned researcher

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00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:50,690
you are you don't know everything and

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00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:53,970
the world of UFOs there are a lot of

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00:39:59,570 --> 00:39:56,310
very very very smart people out there

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00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,580
but it's also different from ghosts in

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that now you've got governments that are

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00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:04,260
involved you've got research that is

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00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:06,870
involved with three-letter agencies and

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00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:09,480
you've got very seasoned people out

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00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:10,770
there that aren't necessarily

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00:40:17,570 --> 00:40:14,070
researchers but study the subject and

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00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:17,580
and here you are man welcome and the

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third thing that I need everybody to

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00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:23,280
understand which I let Chad know is when

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00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:25,410
I just like Chad when I was a

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00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:30,990
sportscaster no issues none no issues

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00:40:37,370 --> 00:40:34,230
with equipment with phones with friends

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00:40:40,340 --> 00:40:37,380
with things it was a very smooth

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00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:40,350
operation you get into UFOs and

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00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:42,330
conspiracy which involves the government

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00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:45,210
suddenly I've got technical issues I've

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00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:47,610
got phone issues I've got email issues

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00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:50,130
I've got things getting hacked of a you

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00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:52,470
know on a daily basis to the

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00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:56,010
where I've got to brush it off and you

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00:41:02,089 --> 00:40:58,050
are experiencing the same things aren't

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00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:02,099
you well yeah and in a big time and

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00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:05,760
Craig and his lovely wife Nicki and

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00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:08,099
their family are experiencing it even

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00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,300
worse which was my primary reason for

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00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:14,400
getting the Siegel out as fast as

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possible because I do believe that you

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00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:19,590
know a layer of protection comes from

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00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:21,720
awareness and people knowing what's

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00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,820
going on but just so people know I mean

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00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:26,160
how this whole thing started this was an

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00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:29,910
inclusion cirno face because I feel like

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a crazy event I say it but when you're

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00:41:36,349 --> 00:41:34,230
going down one direction and you're so

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00:41:38,359 --> 00:41:36,359
focused on it you just don't want to go

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00:41:40,339 --> 00:41:38,369
down another direction if you don't know

809
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:40,349
where it leaves you but this whole thing

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00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:42,450
like literally I was in Australia

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promoting my film a blood red sky we had

812
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:49,290
just decided that we were going to move

813
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:53,670
forward with cirno face and the first

814
00:41:58,940 --> 00:41:56,430
event that we go out we play in

815
00:42:01,040 --> 00:41:58,950
Townsville this whole thing starts with

816
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,050
I'm giving a presentation as well

817
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:03,359
documented in the film as well and this

818
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:06,450
gentleman walks in wearing all black has

819
00:42:11,060 --> 00:42:08,520
got tattoos on his face a tattoo of amun

820
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:11,070
draw on his face and he's pacing and

821
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:13,800
he's walking with like a I mean just the

822
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:15,510
way a man walks when he has a mission

823
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:17,460
like you could tell he's not there to be

824
00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:19,770
a fan I mean he is walking around with

825
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:23,000
intention I see him talking to my team

826
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:26,910
afterwards right as the presentation is

827
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:29,099
over he's making his way to me just

828
00:42:32,839 --> 00:42:30,510
beelining through the crowd and you know

829
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:32,849
something in his hands and Craig gets to

830
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:35,460
me first and says hey and I cut him off

831
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:37,290
like a black guy with tattoos he goes

832
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,420
yeah something doesn't feel right so

833
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:41,040
Craig's like I'm gonna get behind him it

834
00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:43,140
even makes the slightest move I'm taking

835
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:45,420
him out like I don't I don't know what's

836
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:47,310
going on here and his guy was very

837
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:49,890
intimidating and he pretty much hands me

838
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,980
this package and says you don't know me

839
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:55,440
you know I don't know you and by the way

840
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,810
this guy bought a VIP ticket there's no

841
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:59,220
interest in the show he just wanted to

842
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:01,380
get to have five minutes with me right

843
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:02,970
so you can do this and he hands you this

844
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:05,490
package and tells me

845
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,780
he's been shot and knifed in Mexico for

846
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:12,480
these contents he has no interest in to

847
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:15,270
show no interest in money doing press

848
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:17,400
anything like that he's done his

849
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:19,530
homework on me he knows who I am he

850
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,630
simply wants me to have the package and

851
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,280
this is there's multiple witness of this

852
00:43:27,020 --> 00:43:24,720
we have photos of them all their stuff

853
00:43:30,590 --> 00:43:27,030
and I open this package and it is like

854
00:43:33,830 --> 00:43:30,600
the most mind-bending and disturbing

855
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:33,840
stuff you've ever seen that is so in

856
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:36,450
depth and this is like being one of a

857
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:38,790
certain Oh face you know and we're going

858
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:42,180
what is going on here and from that

859
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,250
point on it was just a slow progression

860
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,520
of incredibly bizarre things that were

861
00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:49,980
happening right now at the point that

862
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:53,430
you know Craig's getting visitors to his

863
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:56,970
house that are you know and maybe I'm

864
00:44:01,460 --> 00:43:59,210
jumping way ahead here right now but

865
00:44:03,350 --> 00:44:01,470
yeah they people coming to his house

866
00:44:03,850 --> 00:44:03,360
telling him to stop doing what he's

867
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:03,860
doing

868
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:09,750
warning him away emails I mean okay

869
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:11,490
I can't tell you how many times I've had

870
00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:14,040
to read change my email like the

871
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:17,030
password I'm like what is going on

872
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:19,230
there's so many things and it's all

873
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:21,390
demonstrating the film - from phone

874
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,220
calls where you can clearly hear that

875
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:25,740
it's being monitored clearly and every

876
00:44:29,540 --> 00:44:27,570
time you start talking about hearing it

877
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:29,550
the phone calls being monitored

878
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:32,520
it stops you know the beeps and

879
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,650
everything that you can hear there's

880
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:37,680
just so much stuff in this film that if

881
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:41,220
if someone told me again you know if I

882
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,430
didn't know the people involved you know

883
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:46,260
I would just be like God they've got to

884
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:49,830
be crazy but no I've learned that

885
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:53,330
there's this stuff is far more real than

886
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,560
if you hear about this all the time I

887
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,560
recently Tyler was on traveller Glockner

888
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,180
from scrutiny was on your show

889
00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:02,700
and he was he put out a video saying

890
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,230
yeah I was talking to Jimmy and the

891
00:45:08,570 --> 00:45:06,480
second I started talking about this then

892
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:08,580
you know the phone lines drop and your

893
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:10,830
appearance comes and you hear stuff like

894
00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:13,530
that and you think wow sure you know

895
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:16,520
could be could not be but then you start

896
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:18,570
experiencing those types of phenomenon

897
00:45:21,799 --> 00:45:18,880
can

898
00:45:24,809 --> 00:45:21,809
assistant Lee it's a different ballgame

899
00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:24,819
comfortable yeah totally totally we're

900
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:26,140
gonna get to all of that in those

901
00:45:31,170 --> 00:45:28,329
details and before we do I want to set

902
00:45:35,999 --> 00:45:31,180
things up first things first

903
00:45:37,499 --> 00:45:36,009
who is Craig now okay let's because

904
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:37,509
we're gonna be talking about Craig quite

905
00:45:46,549 --> 00:45:41,920
a bit tonight and Craig in the new

906
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:46,559
documentary you can clearly see that

907
00:45:52,859 --> 00:45:49,900
he's the guy you want in a bar fight

908
00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:52,869
right on your side of the fence yes

909
00:45:56,759 --> 00:45:55,420
Craig Powell he and his wife for the

910
00:45:59,249 --> 00:45:56,769
founding members of the West End

911
00:46:01,559 --> 00:45:59,259
paranormal research team they were the

912
00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:01,569
team that was handpicked by the

913
00:46:05,819 --> 00:46:04,119
Australian government actually the

914
00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:05,829
Sydney Harbour Trust which is the

915
00:46:11,339 --> 00:46:07,960
equivalent of the Department of Defence

916
00:46:15,799 --> 00:46:11,349
of the Australian government handpicked

917
00:46:18,809 --> 00:46:15,809
Craig to lead what turned out to be a

918
00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:18,819
two-year government sanctioned

919
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:21,460
paranormal investigation of Cockatoo

920
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:25,359
Island in which that ISM cenotes footage

921
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:29,220
was captured and Craig is a former

922
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:33,880
professional rugby player he's one I'm a

923
00:46:39,049 --> 00:46:35,470
pretty big dude and he's won a few guys

924
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:39,059
I've been around that Dwarfs me he is a

925
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:43,240
very and not not by any any way shape or

926
00:46:46,769 --> 00:46:43,630
form

927
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:46,779
overweight he's just a massive dude very

928
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:49,390
tough guy definitely the guy you want

929
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:53,140
you know in a fight and you know you

930
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:55,390
wanted to have your back and as you see

931
00:47:03,380 --> 00:46:58,650
in the film he is noticeably shaken

932
00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:08,460
Craig was a it's weird when I hear him

933
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:11,589
like that because I know him as such a

934
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:14,710
strong personality toasted to see him

935
00:47:19,499 --> 00:47:17,170
shaken like he is over what's been going

936
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:19,509
on and to hear it and you especially

937
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:23,650
hear it when in one of the first

938
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:25,720
trailers that I put out there's the

939
00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:28,630
first time he calls me because we were

940
00:47:31,650 --> 00:47:30,369
recording our phone conversations first

941
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:31,660
or no face

942
00:47:37,749 --> 00:47:35,209
so I get a phone call super early in the

943
00:47:40,089 --> 00:47:37,759
morning out of the blue and it's about

944
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:40,099
these two gentlemen that in the middle

945
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,950
of the afternoon he was actually taking

946
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:45,920
a nap he was two gentlemen knock on his

947
00:47:50,019 --> 00:47:48,130
door and he thinks that they're like

948
00:47:52,959 --> 00:47:50,029
what did he call those guys that go

949
00:47:54,609 --> 00:47:52,969
door-to-door Jehovah's Witnesses

950
00:47:57,609 --> 00:47:54,619
yeah Jehovah's Witnesses he thinks

951
00:48:00,459 --> 00:47:57,619
Jehovah's Witnesses so he opens the door

952
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:00,469
and he said that they both have these

953
00:48:04,930 --> 00:48:02,690
like perma-grin like just smiling the

954
00:48:07,390 --> 00:48:04,940
whole time no matter what they're saying

955
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:07,400
their expression never changes to the

956
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,630
point where he said they I mean they

957
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,680
were human but they almost seemed

958
00:48:14,589 --> 00:48:12,319
inhuman with their emotions in which

959
00:48:16,959 --> 00:48:14,599
they go you know hey Craig how you doing

960
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:16,969
and he's like do I know you how do you

961
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:19,130
know my name is like you know yeah I

962
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,209
don't worry about it you know we just

963
00:48:23,859 --> 00:48:22,160
wanted to tell you that uh you know this

964
00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:23,869
project you're working on it's not going

965
00:48:27,999 --> 00:48:25,430
to go forward and you need to back off

966
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:28,009
on it and and he's like well listen I'm

967
00:48:30,999 --> 00:48:29,690
not the guy that's doing it you know

968
00:48:32,709 --> 00:48:31,009
Chad's the guy that's making and I'm

969
00:48:34,059 --> 00:48:32,719
just helping them and they're like oh we

970
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:34,069
know we know all about it

971
00:48:36,759 --> 00:48:35,450
we're just here to tell you that it's

972
00:48:39,189 --> 00:48:36,769
not something that's going to happen and

973
00:48:40,329 --> 00:48:39,199
you need to you know listen to us right

974
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:40,339
here and we hope we don't have to come

975
00:48:48,130 --> 00:48:43,430
back again and he literally turns around

976
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:48,140
to grab his camera to basically you know

977
00:48:51,279 --> 00:48:49,369
get some footage these guys to turn on

978
00:48:54,279 --> 00:48:51,289
the camera and say okay fine now talk

979
00:48:57,009 --> 00:48:54,289
and these guys are gone and there's a

980
00:48:59,709 --> 00:48:57,019
really great demonstration in the film

981
00:49:02,019 --> 00:48:59,719
about why this would be impossible that

982
00:49:05,319 --> 00:49:02,029
they could just be gone but when you

983
00:49:08,349 --> 00:49:05,329
hear his voice in the phone call to me

984
00:49:10,779 --> 00:49:08,359
it's chilling I mean it is just chilling

985
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:10,789
because you know he's at the verge of

986
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:13,369
he's angry but he's so freaked out he's

987
00:49:18,249 --> 00:49:14,839
at the verge of tears at the same time

988
00:49:21,309 --> 00:49:18,259
now this was getting real yeah because

989
00:49:24,009 --> 00:49:21,319
he's not a small guy he doesn't look

990
00:49:27,849 --> 00:49:24,019
like he's ever intimidated by anything

991
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:27,859
and in in the documentary now when we

992
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:30,650
come back also after the break we're

993
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:32,930
gonna discuss this specific clip that

994
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:35,599
we're talking about here and why this is

995
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:38,690
such a big deal but Craig goes he goes

996
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,569
to grab his cell phone he comes back to

997
00:49:49,739 --> 00:49:43,599
the door these guys are gone

998
00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:49,749
in the documentary the driveway is is a

999
00:49:53,819 --> 00:49:51,999
long driveway and it's on a hill and

1000
00:49:56,459 --> 00:49:53,829
there's no way that these guys could

1001
00:49:58,650 --> 00:49:56,469
have run up the hill and disappeared he

1002
00:50:00,120 --> 00:49:58,660
goes up he looks up both sides of the

1003
00:50:02,189 --> 00:50:00,130
street these guys just apparently

1004
00:50:04,499 --> 00:50:02,199
disappear and not only when he gets to

1005
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:04,509
the top of the driveway and they're gone

1006
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:06,910
but there's no vehicles up there or

1007
00:50:11,759 --> 00:50:09,190
anything so you have to ask yourself how

1008
00:50:14,279 --> 00:50:11,769
did they pull that off how did they you

1009
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:14,289
know not does this bring in some element

1010
00:50:19,949 --> 00:50:18,130
of unbelievable of paranormal you know

1011
00:50:23,309 --> 00:50:19,959
some of the stories about the men in

1012
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:23,319
black you know not even being human this

1013
00:50:28,109 --> 00:50:25,209
this doubt comes into play but you guys

1014
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:28,119
are not used to dealing with these

1015
00:50:34,499 --> 00:50:30,190
situations he had no idea what was going

1016
00:50:36,809 --> 00:50:34,509
on did he no no I mean absolutely not

1017
00:50:38,849 --> 00:50:36,819
you know like I said this isn't we've

1018
00:50:42,779 --> 00:50:38,859
heard stories of stuff like this you

1019
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:42,789
know I mean I've heard after this

1020
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:45,430
happened in researching it you know I

1021
00:50:50,489 --> 00:50:48,249
read different you know articles and

1022
00:50:51,870 --> 00:50:50,499
just different things written about the

1023
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:51,880
men in black and the time that they've

1024
00:50:57,420 --> 00:50:55,359
appeared and you know I had seen a Dan

1025
00:51:01,079 --> 00:50:57,430
Aykroyd talking about his experience

1026
00:51:03,029 --> 00:51:01,089
with the men in black and and but you

1027
00:51:05,189 --> 00:51:03,039
know you know you don't think that I

1028
00:51:07,439 --> 00:51:05,199
mean in my world honestly I just you

1029
00:51:10,019 --> 00:51:07,449
know he you think it's a great story

1030
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,029
or maybe they existed at one point but

1031
00:51:13,289 --> 00:51:11,680
it was just a different government

1032
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:13,299
agency but then the more and more you

1033
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,569
read about it you go well here's the

1034
00:51:22,109 --> 00:51:19,599
thing I spent two years two years I

1035
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,119
tried to catch Craig and a lie of any

1036
00:51:29,009 --> 00:51:24,400
time in a sir no face and failed

1037
00:51:30,989 --> 00:51:29,019
miserably this is not something that he

1038
00:51:32,370 --> 00:51:30,999
would like out there here I'm sure he

1039
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:32,380
you know he didn't wake up go you know

1040
00:51:36,329 --> 00:51:33,910
what I would just love the world to know

1041
00:51:38,670 --> 00:51:36,339
that two men visited my place and I was

1042
00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:38,680
terrified you know it's just not the

1043
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:40,180
type of thing he was wanting out there

1044
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:42,249
so I'm I'm certain he's telling the

1045
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:46,380
truth and and at the same time on my end

1046
00:51:53,279 --> 00:51:49,930
things over here we're getting so

1047
00:51:54,809 --> 00:51:53,289
bizarre and we don't know when the

1048
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:54,819
breaks coming but there's a story I want

1049
00:51:57,010 --> 00:51:56,170
to tell you that connects to there's

1050
00:51:59,290 --> 00:51:57,020
what was going

1051
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,300
with them simultaneously and that's what

1052
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:01,280
we kind of realized is that we were

1053
00:52:09,790 --> 00:52:05,210
simultaneously experiencing things and

1054
00:52:12,550 --> 00:52:09,800
things things do get strange and I when

1055
00:52:14,050 --> 00:52:12,560
I watched this part of the documentary

1056
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:14,060
and I stressed that everybody go and

1057
00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:18,650
check out a two-face the gray but I had

1058
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:20,360
my own little experience with the

1059
00:52:24,550 --> 00:52:21,770
strange knock at the door and this

1060
00:52:27,310 --> 00:52:24,560
happened about two years ago maybe a

1061
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:27,320
little longer but I'm goofing around I'm

1062
00:52:30,820 --> 00:52:29,030
at the house Rita's gone I'm a home

1063
00:52:33,609 --> 00:52:30,830
alone and there's a knock at the door

1064
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:33,619
and which I never get I live in a gated

1065
00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:34,490
community

1066
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:37,430
okay a disclosure to everybody right I

1067
00:52:41,350 --> 00:52:39,650
live in a so there isn't any traffic

1068
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:41,360
there isn't anything strange that goes

1069
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:42,290
on and here it's gated

1070
00:52:47,170 --> 00:52:44,330
right and I get a knock at the door and

1071
00:52:50,770 --> 00:52:47,180
I go down and it's a lady in a suit and

1072
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:50,780
she's got an iPad and she goes hi mr.

1073
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:52,910
Church I'm here with the census I have a

1074
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,310
few questions for you I said the census

1075
00:53:00,820 --> 00:52:58,400
yes I have a few question what do you

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need with me well you know how many you

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know and she brought up she said

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Caucasian I remember that and she goes

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okay so there are what and I looked at

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her and and she had a badge I remember

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that but anyway that was down on her hip

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and and I backed up and I said buh-bye

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and I shut the door on her face right

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shut the door and the next day knock at

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the door and I go down and I open it up

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Wow you know and again Rita was gone

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open up the door and it's the same lady

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with two dudes behind her in suits big

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guys like football player guys and I

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noticed as I'm looking at these two I

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noticed right across the street from the

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house

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ford police interceptor you know kind of

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cost yeah yeah yeah and it was maroon by

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the way it wasn't black it was maroon

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but anyway it's sitting across the

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street and she goes you know I need to I

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need to talk to you mr. Church I said no

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you don't my bosses have sent me back

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though I'm quoting my bosses I've sent

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me back and we've got a few questions

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for you I said no you don't I'm looking

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at these two guys I'm like the sense

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what - what the f you know this is

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ridiculous and I shut the door

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BAM slammed it on him and I walked away

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Rita comes home a little bit later and

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I'm telling her this story and what I

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should have done this was my mistake his

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00:54:44,259 --> 00:54:41,339
video I should have just grabbed my

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phone walked outside shot the car

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videotaped them to see you know I didn't

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go out to see if they were going to

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00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:51,420
other houses I didn't do any of that it

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00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,329
was a total stupid move but it was the

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00:54:59,509 --> 00:54:57,359
feds dude you know checking exactly what

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00:55:01,880 --> 00:54:59,519
Craig was trying to do at that time was

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grab his phone video like that's a key

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you know what's interesting about that

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Jimmy is and and you know this is

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partisan in the film too but for about a

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week I started noticing this black

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Mercedes that would have its lights on

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at any time of the day whether it's noon

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or you know five or 9:00 p.m. and I

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finally was able to get some film on

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00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:26,039
this thing and ended up talking to my

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partner Thomas who I always want give

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him huge shoutouts because without him

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both these films wouldn't be wouldn't

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even be possible

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00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:36,000
but I was telling him about this and he

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was just like you know what you need to

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just drive him right to the police

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station

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you know slam the car in park and hop

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out with your you know your phone

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00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,490
filming and just say you know who are

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00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:49,680
you type of thing and the weird thing

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00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,049
was I was like I'm totally going to do

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00:55:57,859 --> 00:55:54,660
that after that conversation I had with

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00:55:59,779 --> 00:55:57,869
him I never saw this car again so I was

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00:56:02,329 --> 00:55:59,789
started thinking you know what I'm going

1144
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:02,339
psychopathic here like this is just my

1145
00:56:06,050 --> 00:56:04,170
own mind working against me

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00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:06,060
I'm in the city of Los Angeles there's a

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ton of black Mercedes around here I mean

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00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:10,590
who would actually be following me

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00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:12,660
because the only reason I did that in

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00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:14,930
today's day need to be pure intimidation

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00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:18,000
right as I'm thinking that's happening I

1152
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:21,690
get a phone call from Craig's wife who

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00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:24,690
wants to tell me that she you know she's

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00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,210
not crazy that there's a car that's not

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00:56:33,740 --> 00:56:30,240
following her I'm like oh you're kidding

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00:56:35,090 --> 00:56:33,750
me and she's like no and you know they

1157
00:56:37,310 --> 00:56:35,100
went through the whole thing I mean this

1158
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,320
has happened a couple times and I

1159
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:39,680
recently showed you and we were together

1160
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:41,730
well you know let's get to that later on

1161
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:43,650
but about the guys coming back in those

1162
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:47,430
details but this thing goes you know to

1163
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:48,900
a place of surveillance that is just

1164
00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:52,410
really really unnerving but I hear you

1165
00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:54,660
man I mean that stuff actually happens

1166
00:56:59,060 --> 00:56:56,790
it's crazy now when we come back we're

1167
00:57:01,580 --> 00:56:59,070
going to talk about this clip and as we

1168
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:01,590
start to set this up we've got about one

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00:57:08,420 --> 00:57:02,760
minute here

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00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:08,430
Chad how long is the the original

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00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:12,990
sir--no face clip well the footage runs

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00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,190
for like 4 hours and 50 minutes just of

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00:57:22,310 --> 00:57:19,440
straight footage but to cut the actual

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out of the clip of sir--no face museum

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by about 4 seconds 4 seconds and its

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00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:28,320
entire yeah did you have any idea the

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00:57:32,180 --> 00:57:30,210
ghost side of it is one thing but did

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00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:32,190
you have any idea that that 4 second

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00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:34,800
clip was gonna cause this kind of

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trouble

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00:57:42,020 --> 00:57:39,780
no man no and that's and it becomes very

1182
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:42,030
apparent that there's a lot of reasons

1183
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:44,730
that maybe we should have especially

1184
00:57:49,580 --> 00:57:47,310
when the film gets into when you start

1185
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:49,590
looking at the government's approach to

1186
00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:50,940
this which we could talk about when we

1187
00:57:55,850 --> 00:57:53,070
come back - right because their

1188
00:57:58,310 --> 00:57:55,860
activities are really weird really weird

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but some but know that four seconds

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00:58:01,610 --> 00:58:00,150
changed my life and Craig's and whole

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00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:01,620
bunch of other people's let's take a

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break right here our guest tonight Chad

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Kay laqueer talking about his new

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documentary a sequel to cirno face it's

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called

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to face the gray the links for to face

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and how to see it right there at Jimmy

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Church I guess tonight Chad Gaelic fade

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all right welcome back if you're

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watching me on the bunker can be you can

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see that I'm tweeting whatever I tweet

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during the break I get caught up and I

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get hung up right at the commercial

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break up said our guest tonight is Chad

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Kayla and we're talking about to face of

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the grades new documentary I that's what

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I was tweeting I just tweeted out the

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links to the documentary now let's get

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specific here for everybody so you can

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understand what we're talking about when

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cirno face came out I I watched it and I

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had chat on I you know what we I think

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we did fade to black and coast to coast

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back to back then didn't get her and

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which we did again this week you were

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just on coast to coast with me and and

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now you're on fade to black and now so

1338
01:05:01,650 --> 01:04:58,360
when I saw cirno face I saw the clip and

1339
01:05:04,410 --> 01:05:01,660
I went that's not a ghost that's a gray

1340
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:04,420
that's what popped into my head

1341
01:05:07,830 --> 01:05:06,970
now I didn't I didn't want to say

1342
01:05:09,330 --> 01:05:07,840
anything

1343
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:09,340
not only to chat I didn't want to

1344
01:05:15,210 --> 01:05:12,730
pollute you know his his ghost hunting

1345
01:05:18,450 --> 01:05:15,220
efforts here because the clip clearly is

1346
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:18,460
cool maybe it is a ghost but it hit me

1347
01:05:24,270 --> 01:05:20,770
as a gray which I'm glad I didn't bring

1348
01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:24,280
it up because everybody else said it and

1349
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:27,100
that was good enough for me right okay

1350
01:05:33,900 --> 01:05:30,609
so that's yeah now this clip let's talk

1351
01:05:35,970 --> 01:05:33,910
about this clip what happens in the clip

1352
01:05:38,099 --> 01:05:35,980
what do we see okay

1353
01:05:41,130 --> 01:05:38,109
just ruined just just bit just a little

1354
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:41,140
bit here yes what was crazy is like I

1355
01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:44,260
said on the tour I thought for sure just

1356
01:05:48,420 --> 01:05:46,180
because the skeptical nature of the

1357
01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:48,430
paranormal side on the ghost side that

1358
01:05:51,180 --> 01:05:49,720
there would be all kinds of people that

1359
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:51,190
wanted to argue whether or not it was

1360
01:05:58,620 --> 01:05:54,310
real I was floored that we played 28th

1361
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:58,630
sold-out sit shows and two people wanted

1362
01:06:02,580 --> 01:06:00,420
to debate whether or not it was fake

1363
01:06:04,410 --> 01:06:02,590
everybody else on the tour was just like

1364
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:04,420
dude you know Craig totally captured

1365
01:06:08,790 --> 01:06:06,910
something but yes about half our

1366
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:08,800
audience which is very well demonstrated

1367
01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:10,450
in the film because we have the footage

1368
01:06:14,070 --> 01:06:12,670
from people giving their thoughts kept

1369
01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:14,080
saying is

1370
01:06:20,380 --> 01:06:18,230
iliyan and the reason that I wasn't

1371
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:20,390
there initially is because it's not a

1372
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:22,910
lot of research on shadow men shadow

1373
01:06:27,820 --> 01:06:25,490
people the phenomenon and one of the

1374
01:06:29,590 --> 01:06:27,830
unique things about and there's and

1375
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:29,600
there's much debate amongst the

1376
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:31,370
paranormal side and gentlemen

1377
01:06:35,830 --> 01:06:33,890
researchers as to whether or not when

1378
01:06:38,980 --> 01:06:35,840
shadow man appear do they or do they not

1379
01:06:41,050 --> 01:06:38,990
have some degree of mass to them because

1380
01:06:43,810 --> 01:06:41,060
they stop light there's a guy named

1381
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:43,820
Keith age that was doing laser light

1382
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:46,310
experiments and the Waverly Hills that

1383
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:48,920
demonstrated this so what I was thinking

1384
01:06:56,370 --> 01:06:51,230
is that this could possibly some form of

1385
01:07:00,610 --> 01:06:56,380
shadow person but in the footage itself

1386
01:07:04,750 --> 01:07:00,620
what occurs is Craig is actually off the

1387
01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:04,760
island his wife and two other members of

1388
01:07:09,340 --> 01:07:06,140
the team are left there with one

1389
01:07:11,020 --> 01:07:09,350
security guard they lock a camera down

1390
01:07:12,430 --> 01:07:11,030
for the night because they're just going

1391
01:07:14,860 --> 01:07:12,440
to go to sleep they're camping to wake

1392
01:07:18,970 --> 01:07:14,870
up in the morning the security guard

1393
01:07:20,650 --> 01:07:18,980
locks the door we have the ledgers to

1394
01:07:22,210 --> 01:07:20,660
know who was on the island at 7 p.m.

1395
01:07:23,500 --> 01:07:22,220
everybody has to leave the island but

1396
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:23,510
because they were given permission by

1397
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:25,510
the government they can stay there

1398
01:07:30,310 --> 01:07:27,830
we know the doors locked where the

1399
01:07:33,250 --> 01:07:30,320
camera is setting up and from where this

1400
01:07:36,070 --> 01:07:33,260
entity whatever it is appears the only

1401
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:36,080
way to even get to this place you would

1402
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:37,850
have to walk in front of the camera to

1403
01:07:42,370 --> 01:07:39,590
get there there's no entrance to this

1404
01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:42,380
location anywhere else no one obviously

1405
01:07:47,530 --> 01:07:44,140
ever walks in front of the camera

1406
01:07:51,370 --> 01:07:47,540
there's a long hallway and to like

1407
01:07:57,130 --> 01:07:51,380
French doors are opened and out of the

1408
01:07:59,920 --> 01:07:57,140
wall this entity steps forward looks

1409
01:08:01,570 --> 01:07:59,930
directly down into the camera plane

1410
01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:01,580
today I mean it's like you don't got to

1411
01:08:10,180 --> 01:08:08,950
kind of jumps back a little bit and when

1412
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:10,190
that doesn't jump that kind of jerks

1413
01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:11,770
back a little bit but there's a fluidity

1414
01:08:17,380 --> 01:08:15,230
to the way that this thing moves that

1415
01:08:21,670 --> 01:08:17,390
the the physics are just off it's

1416
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:21,680
clearly not human and it disappears into

1417
01:08:27,149 --> 01:08:25,190
the wall behind it now there's a lot of

1418
01:08:29,579 --> 01:08:27,159
a lot of interesting things here

1419
01:08:32,669 --> 01:08:29,589
the recreation footage in the original

1420
01:08:35,249 --> 01:08:32,679
footage right away Craig tried to

1421
01:08:37,709 --> 01:08:35,259
recreate it with his team member the

1422
01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:37,719
first thing we noticed is this building

1423
01:08:43,169 --> 01:08:40,270
therein known as the officers quarters

1424
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:43,179
is literally falling apart

1425
01:08:49,260 --> 01:08:46,239
you can't walk anywhere without because

1426
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:49,270
it's these old wooden creaky floors you

1427
01:08:53,459 --> 01:08:51,759
can't so much as stand without making

1428
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:53,469
noise I mean just anywhere you walk and

1429
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,409
lean there's loud cracks and bends and

1430
01:09:01,950 --> 01:08:58,960
all this stuff and that entire four

1431
01:09:03,870 --> 01:09:01,960
hours and 50 you know eight minutes of

1432
01:09:05,789 --> 01:09:03,880
the camera films including when no face

1433
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:05,799
appears and dissapears

1434
01:09:12,870 --> 01:09:09,279
there is not a sound there is not a

1435
01:09:16,769 --> 01:09:12,880
single sound so if someone was thinking

1436
01:09:18,629 --> 01:09:16,779
that either someone was was was in the

1437
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:18,639
building at that time for four hours and

1438
01:09:24,689 --> 01:09:22,210
58 minutes they'd have to do it somehow

1439
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:24,699
without making a sound which would be

1440
01:09:32,099 --> 01:09:29,049
impossible to do but the real kicker is

1441
01:09:33,809 --> 01:09:32,109
once we were able to line up Craig's

1442
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:33,819
recreation footage and the actual

1443
01:09:38,669 --> 01:09:36,369
footage once we lined up the

1444
01:09:40,140 --> 01:09:38,679
perspectives because we needed the

1445
01:09:42,629 --> 01:09:40,150
recreation footage she was kind of doing

1446
01:09:43,979 --> 01:09:42,639
it by eye you know kind of it was the

1447
01:09:47,370 --> 01:09:43,989
camera was close to here I'm close to

1448
01:09:49,589 --> 01:09:47,380
here once we were able to pull into the

1449
01:09:52,649 --> 01:09:49,599
final cut and do the perspective what we

1450
01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:52,659
realized is cirno phase is about three

1451
01:09:58,649 --> 01:09:55,750
and a half feet tall which was a big

1452
01:10:02,930 --> 01:09:58,659
like moments in cirno faces when you

1453
01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:02,940
realize it's whoa this thing is tiny and

1454
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:05,409
compared to Craig's obviously is over 6

1455
01:10:09,589 --> 01:10:07,449
feet tall when Craig did the recreation

1456
01:10:12,899 --> 01:10:09,599
first of all he was loud as hell

1457
01:10:14,430 --> 01:10:12,909
secondly he couldn't even get behind the

1458
01:10:16,050 --> 01:10:14,440
open French door because the walls there

1459
01:10:19,290 --> 01:10:16,060
he couldn't hide fully behind it

1460
01:10:21,930 --> 01:10:19,300
couldn't even get his body behind it and

1461
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:21,940
obviously you know the most obvious

1462
01:10:26,100 --> 01:10:24,460
thing is and the recreation footage you

1463
01:10:31,169 --> 01:10:26,110
could just see it's Craig it just looks

1464
01:10:35,310 --> 01:10:31,179
like a dude you know so this thing being

1465
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:35,320
as small as it is it would have to be a

1466
01:10:39,810 --> 01:10:37,510
child so then it begs the question so

1467
01:10:40,959 --> 01:10:39,820
who's going to lock their child in some

1468
01:10:44,350 --> 01:10:40,969
house and sneak

1469
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:44,360
for four and a half hours and and what

1470
01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:45,710
just lock him in there they don't gotta

1471
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:47,270
go to the bathroom they don't they don't

1472
01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:49,010
make noise I don't know anything so it

1473
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:50,780
became very obvious that the only way

1474
01:10:57,220 --> 01:10:52,250
that this could have been possible is

1475
01:10:59,680 --> 01:10:57,230
through a CGI okay having said that from

1476
01:11:02,620 --> 01:10:59,690
my work of the film business and I

1477
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:02,630
worked on a project for about 18 months

1478
01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:05,120
directly with Steven Spielberg I got to

1479
01:11:10,990 --> 01:11:07,460
know a lot of his guys I'm a lot of his

1480
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:11,000
animators it just so happens that one of

1481
01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:13,910
the top animators in Hollywood the guy

1482
01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:16,070
who actually brought transformers to

1483
01:11:22,540 --> 01:11:18,920
life as never standing he did all the

1484
01:11:24,850 --> 01:11:22,550
CGI for Iron Man The Avengers Real Steel

1485
01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:24,860
Benjamin Button you name it he's the guy

1486
01:11:30,820 --> 01:11:28,430
I took the footage to him and said

1487
01:11:33,459 --> 01:11:30,830
listen I don't need you to tell me that

1488
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:33,469
this is a ghost you know I need you to

1489
01:11:37,390 --> 01:11:35,210
tell me has this footage been altered

1490
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:37,400
and his first thing you said is well

1491
01:11:40,330 --> 01:11:38,810
maybe you don't want me to do this man

1492
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:40,340
because I don't believe in ghosts at all

1493
01:11:44,860 --> 01:11:42,110
I said no that's that's why you're the

1494
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:44,870
guy you're the perfect guy like I want

1495
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:48,590
you to tell me is this footage

1496
01:11:51,550 --> 01:11:50,030
manipulated that's why I need to know

1497
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:51,560
I'm not asking you to tell me it's a

1498
01:11:57,310 --> 01:11:55,250
ghost or not is it manipulated and so at

1499
01:11:59,740 --> 01:11:57,320
this point you're you're you're you've

1500
01:12:03,910 --> 01:11:59,750
got your debunking hat on right Oh

1501
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:03,920
a percent right 90% firfer see when we

1502
01:12:08,860 --> 01:12:06,320
first did cirno face I mean what I told

1503
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:08,870
Craig is I want to make this documentary

1504
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:10,370
about you but you need to understand

1505
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:13,520
something like once we push go like

1506
01:12:21,729 --> 01:12:16,370
you're not in control of this so if I

1507
01:12:24,370 --> 01:12:21,739
find out that you have faked this I'm

1508
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:24,380
gonna burn you dude like this movie is

1509
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:26,210
coming out you know what I mean so you

1510
01:12:31,930 --> 01:12:29,690
need to be very sure before you say yes

1511
01:12:34,510 --> 01:12:31,940
to this because you know it makes just

1512
01:12:38,290 --> 01:12:34,520
as good of a documentary that by

1513
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:38,300
catching a guy in some ways even better

1514
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:41,930
yep you know and and Craig was from the

1515
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:44,000
jump was like I'm an open book man like

1516
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:47,449
let's do it it's it's authentic and he

1517
01:12:51,130 --> 01:12:49,250
did not know in the beginning that I had

1518
01:12:52,450 --> 01:12:51,140
these type of connections he did not

1519
01:12:53,260 --> 01:12:52,460
know that I was going to take the

1520
01:12:59,020 --> 01:12:53,270
footage to

1521
01:13:01,000 --> 01:12:59,030
any Patterson and I you know literally

1522
01:13:02,290 --> 01:13:01,010
just said you just come back and tell me

1523
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,300
what you think man there was no wrong

1524
01:13:08,970 --> 01:13:04,640
answer dude you trembling to think and

1525
01:13:11,950 --> 01:13:08,980
Danny right away two things that he said

1526
01:13:13,570 --> 01:13:11,960
first off you said you should be able to

1527
01:13:14,890 --> 01:13:13,580
tell us something you know is

1528
01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:14,900
manipulated I should go on a

1529
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:16,670
pixel-by-pixel level they can get in

1530
01:13:21,580 --> 01:13:19,370
there and see and he's like there are no

1531
01:13:25,420 --> 01:13:21,590
dead giveaways here at all that this is

1532
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:25,430
faked and the one thing that that he

1533
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:27,290
spoke to me in private about to which I

1534
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:30,170
totally agreed with is part of their job

1535
01:13:35,950 --> 01:13:34,490
as animators is to understand the

1536
01:13:38,290 --> 01:13:35,960
physics of the human body

1537
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:38,300
so like when Robert Downey jr. is

1538
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:40,730
running and jumps off into a cliff and

1539
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:43,460
the Iron Man suit starts hitting him and

1540
01:13:48,190 --> 01:13:46,490
coming to life he's got to know the

1541
01:13:50,260 --> 01:13:48,200
physics of the human body and what would

1542
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:50,270
it look like when he's running and he

1543
01:13:54,130 --> 01:13:51,590
has to switch from real-time to

1544
01:13:56,890 --> 01:13:54,140
animation right he's got to know the way

1545
01:13:58,660 --> 01:13:56,900
the human body works and you know he had

1546
01:14:00,910 --> 01:13:58,670
stated him as well - he's like there's

1547
01:14:04,150 --> 01:14:00,920
something about it the physics are off

1548
01:14:05,950 --> 01:14:04,160
like this thing's moving free of gravity

1549
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:05,960
or something he was like it's just it's

1550
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:08,870
just off and and I totally agreed with

1551
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:11,450
him but his determination in the end is

1552
01:14:20,260 --> 01:14:16,880
that there was absolutely no no sign

1553
01:14:22,150 --> 01:14:20,270
whatsoever that it was CGI so we had

1554
01:14:26,620 --> 01:14:22,160
gotten to the point that I was certain

1555
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,630
that we captured something and because

1556
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:28,880
you know we were on a paranormal case

1557
01:14:33,130 --> 01:14:31,130
and we were told by the Australian

1558
01:14:35,230 --> 01:14:33,140
government that this was you know go

1559
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:35,240
stuff like you know that's the stuff

1560
01:14:39,540 --> 01:14:37,490
that we were focusing on but there were

1561
01:14:42,220 --> 01:14:39,550
as you see in the film as you know

1562
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:42,230
they've seen it now there were some

1563
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:45,290
definite things that we should have

1564
01:14:50,460 --> 01:14:47,650
spent more time noticing in the first

1565
01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:50,470
the first run through the investigation

1566
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:53,270
and one of the biggest ones that is a

1567
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,170
dead giveaway to a lot of early studies

1568
01:15:02,219 --> 01:14:59,600
included in a lot of contactee cases is

1569
01:15:04,350 --> 01:15:02,229
the loss of time yeah no we're

1570
01:15:07,259 --> 01:15:04,360
I was gonna go there right now and what

1571
01:15:09,330 --> 01:15:07,269
is interesting for me no we're gonna go

1572
01:15:13,229 --> 01:15:09,340
into the missing time a part of this

1573
01:15:17,250 --> 01:15:13,239
it'sit's very interesting is that if you

1574
01:15:21,839 --> 01:15:17,260
hadn't known from the beginning that

1575
01:15:25,109 --> 01:15:21,849
this was a an alien et situation with

1576
01:15:28,259 --> 01:15:25,119
the Australian government and not ghosts

1577
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:28,269
would that have changed your methodology

1578
01:15:34,290 --> 01:15:30,729
how you guys were approaching this or

1579
01:15:36,029 --> 01:15:34,300
yeah 100% okay because it's not the same

1580
01:15:38,939 --> 01:15:36,039
investigation anymore is it

1581
01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:38,949
what a totally different approach you

1582
01:15:43,949 --> 01:15:41,800
know first off I would have suspected

1583
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:43,959
the government more right away

1584
01:15:48,689 --> 01:15:47,050
just because the history of you apology

1585
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:48,699
and government involvement right and

1586
01:15:55,319 --> 01:15:51,760
when when we looked through that lens a

1587
01:15:56,850 --> 01:15:55,329
lot of things became weird first off the

1588
01:15:59,459 --> 01:15:56,860
government approaches them right away

1589
01:16:00,629 --> 01:15:59,469
none of those appeared in the first case

1590
01:16:02,910 --> 01:16:00,639
they're something to talk about now or

1591
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:02,920
the first or no phase but the first

1592
01:16:09,209 --> 01:16:06,489
thing they did is offer them a ton of

1593
01:16:11,969 --> 01:16:09,219
money to like come out to the island

1594
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:11,979
they said listen you and as many team

1595
01:16:16,529 --> 01:16:14,289
members as you want we'll pay you an

1596
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:16,539
hourly rate to come out you you

1597
01:16:20,009 --> 01:16:18,489
determine your own schedule oh and

1598
01:16:21,299 --> 01:16:20,019
beyond that we're also going to buy

1599
01:16:24,540 --> 01:16:21,309
whatever equipment you want

1600
01:16:26,699 --> 01:16:24,550
just just invoice us and you can be out

1601
01:16:29,310 --> 01:16:26,709
there as long as you want and they also

1602
01:16:32,009 --> 01:16:29,320
told them they wanted them to you know

1603
01:16:35,129 --> 01:16:32,019
what once they you know if they found

1604
01:16:36,779 --> 01:16:35,139
anything they wanted them to lead these

1605
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:36,789
you know ghosts tons and they were going

1606
01:16:42,419 --> 01:16:39,130
to pay them well for that too and I'm

1607
01:16:44,580 --> 01:16:42,429
sitting here thinking eh any paranormal

1608
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:44,590
team all paranormal things were used to

1609
01:16:49,620 --> 01:16:48,130
doing things for free it's it's unheard

1610
01:16:51,660 --> 01:16:49,630
of that a parallel team actually gets

1611
01:16:52,890 --> 01:16:51,670
paid to go investigate a place so they

1612
01:16:55,140 --> 01:16:52,900
would have cut off their arm to do this

1613
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,150
anyways right so what why is the

1614
01:17:00,209 --> 01:16:57,760
government right away coming at them

1615
01:17:01,709 --> 01:17:00,219
with the Holy Grail offer and throwing

1616
01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:01,719
tons of cash so the only reason you do

1617
01:17:05,759 --> 01:17:04,510
that is to ensure somebody shows up you

1618
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:05,769
know you want to make sure they're going

1619
01:17:10,020 --> 01:17:08,530
to be there and Craig and his team they

1620
01:17:11,500 --> 01:17:10,030
were they were shown not only were they

1621
01:17:13,930 --> 01:17:11,510
showing the government so

1622
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:13,940
of what they were capturing from the

1623
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:16,130
cenotes footage they were physically

1624
01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:19,250
taking them to experience what was known

1625
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:20,750
as sirs light and for those who they

1626
01:17:27,850 --> 01:17:23,690
don't know what this is cirno face in

1627
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:27,860
the officers quarters on call to light

1628
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:30,409
up a room like a lightning bolt one off

1629
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:32,449
to the point where the light was so

1630
01:17:37,450 --> 01:17:34,610
bright and he was emanating from so many

1631
01:17:39,459 --> 01:17:37,460
places that no shadows were cast it

1632
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:39,469
would just poof it would just go off and

1633
01:17:43,419 --> 01:17:41,090
they were taking the government down to

1634
01:17:46,089 --> 01:17:43,429
observe this and which members of the

1635
01:17:49,509 --> 01:17:46,099
remember freaking out and but they just

1636
01:17:51,729 --> 01:17:49,519
kept them going so why two years why

1637
01:17:52,750 --> 01:17:51,739
would you keep them going two years and

1638
01:17:55,450 --> 01:17:52,760
what's really interesting is when it

1639
01:17:58,180 --> 01:17:55,460
came to an end they kept him going for

1640
01:18:01,629 --> 01:17:58,190
two years doing this and then finally I

1641
01:18:05,140 --> 01:18:01,639
call Craig and say I want to do an event

1642
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:05,150
there and I'm looking for a place to do

1643
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:07,489
an event and he says well listen we have

1644
01:18:11,229 --> 01:18:09,289
full acts of this place access to this

1645
01:18:12,609 --> 01:18:11,239
place so I can just talk to the

1646
01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:12,619
government let them know that yeah you

1647
01:18:20,350 --> 01:18:15,590
want to do events we can do one so we do

1648
01:18:22,779 --> 01:18:20,360
one and it becomes known later that I'm

1649
01:18:26,220 --> 01:18:22,789
a documentary filmmaker who comes to the

1650
01:18:29,140 --> 01:18:26,230
island ends up seeing Craig's footage

1651
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:29,150
has all kinds of people there to see

1652
01:18:32,770 --> 01:18:30,650
Craig's photos which they the government

1653
01:18:36,009 --> 01:18:32,780
initially did not know that he was going

1654
01:18:38,109 --> 01:18:36,019
to share and then the day after the

1655
01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:38,119
filmmaker leaves from another country

1656
01:18:44,259 --> 01:18:41,000
the day after Craig shows us footage to

1657
01:18:47,109 --> 01:18:44,269
other members of the public the day

1658
01:18:48,609 --> 01:18:47,119
after the government pulls the plug says

1659
01:18:49,930 --> 01:18:48,619
your services are no longer needed you

1660
01:18:51,580 --> 01:18:49,940
got to get your stuff get off the island

1661
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,590
you're not welcome to come back and go

1662
01:18:56,140 --> 01:18:53,679
sign here anymore anything like that

1663
01:18:57,250 --> 01:18:56,150
with without any kind of explanation

1664
01:19:00,959 --> 01:18:57,260
whatsoever

1665
01:19:03,609 --> 01:19:00,969
so what I started thinking is was Craig

1666
01:19:06,549 --> 01:19:03,619
documenting something while he was out

1667
01:19:09,129 --> 01:19:06,559
there or was the government documenting

1668
01:19:13,569 --> 01:19:09,139
Craig and his team interacting with

1669
01:19:15,310 --> 01:19:13,579
something because it just made no sense

1670
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:15,320
no that version of it makes perfect

1671
01:19:21,879 --> 01:19:19,190
sense I mean looking back in hindsight

1672
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:21,889
and looking at this footage and

1673
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:25,610
and how the facility got closed down and

1674
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:29,210
and the their approach to things and and

1675
01:19:34,810 --> 01:19:32,330
the cutoff of funds and suddenly you

1676
01:19:37,899 --> 01:19:34,820
know the the the video footage comes out

1677
01:19:40,209 --> 01:19:37,909
and you start leaning on this UFO side

1678
01:19:43,570 --> 01:19:40,219
of things and that's when it just got

1679
01:19:47,290 --> 01:19:43,580
completely funky well here's the seeming

1680
01:19:49,209 --> 01:19:47,300
stranger I I wanted to talk to the

1681
01:19:52,330 --> 01:19:49,219
government absolutely right away and

1682
01:19:56,169 --> 01:19:52,340
what I hear back it actually contacted

1683
01:19:59,140 --> 01:19:56,179
Craig not me and what they said is you

1684
01:20:01,330 --> 01:19:59,150
know and Craig has emails we're not

1685
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:01,340
going to speak about this what's with

1686
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:03,770
chat or anybody else do what you got to

1687
01:20:09,490 --> 01:20:06,409
do but whatever the only thing that we

1688
01:20:11,530 --> 01:20:09,500
ask is that he has he has the emails in

1689
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:11,540
the trailer in the film can you remove

1690
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:14,810
our names and I was like why aren't and

1691
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:16,639
this is when cirno base is coming out

1692
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:19,730
and we're saying that it's a we believe

1693
01:20:24,970 --> 01:20:23,210
it to be a ghost and I'm thinking our

1694
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:24,980
why aren't you telling us

1695
01:20:31,359 --> 01:20:28,480
to stop this do they what do they want

1696
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:31,369
this narrative is is this what they want

1697
01:20:35,140 --> 01:20:33,530
us to push and I couldn't figure out why

1698
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:35,150
I was like what why at some point where

1699
01:20:39,459 --> 01:20:37,850
they just not say listen that's you know

1700
01:20:41,649 --> 01:20:39,469
footage you shot on that island without

1701
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,659
us without you know we own that footage

1702
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:43,760
like there's all kinds of legal

1703
01:20:48,340 --> 01:20:45,290
arguments they could have put up and

1704
01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:48,350
they didn't at all and I was like huh

1705
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:51,800
and then I hear that for the longest

1706
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,810
period of time for like six months they

1707
01:20:57,250 --> 01:20:55,040
didn't allow any paranormal

1708
01:21:00,340 --> 01:20:57,260
investigations then out of the blue we

1709
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:00,350
find out that they are now going to

1710
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:02,210
start allowing them so charging five

1711
01:21:06,129 --> 01:21:03,760
thousand dollars a night

1712
01:21:07,570 --> 01:21:06,139
they're bringing in not Craig and his

1713
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:07,580
team who captured all the thing I said

1714
01:21:11,410 --> 01:21:09,920
Craig this is just like they want that

1715
01:21:13,390 --> 01:21:11,420
narrative they want how it's a ghost

1716
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:13,400
it's it goes but it's the same reason

1717
01:21:17,530 --> 01:21:15,440
that if you were documenting them out

1718
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:17,540
there on an island the reason you would

1719
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:19,610
want to get a paranormal team to

1720
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:22,130
interact with say it was a grey is

1721
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,650
because if they went public it would be

1722
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:26,719
so easy to make fun of them and do the

1723
01:21:30,820 --> 01:21:28,610
same old thing right

1724
01:21:33,069 --> 01:21:30,830
no these crazy ghost centers they found

1725
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:33,079
an alien of course they did

1726
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:34,610
you know I mean like [\h__\h] like that or

1727
01:21:42,850 --> 01:21:38,960
stuff like that sorry so it just blows

1728
01:21:45,459 --> 01:21:42,860
my mind that you know that they would do

1729
01:21:47,589 --> 01:21:45,469
all this and not tell us to stop but

1730
01:21:52,350 --> 01:21:47,599
what makes perfect sense of what you're

1731
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,360
talking about is if when when we started

1732
01:21:57,250 --> 01:21:54,800
listening to our audience when we

1733
01:21:59,649 --> 01:21:57,260
started turning towards that

1734
01:22:02,260 --> 01:21:59,659
alien narrative and is this the

1735
01:22:03,819 --> 01:22:02,270
potential that's when things have got

1736
01:22:07,689 --> 01:22:03,829
really weird

1737
01:22:09,609 --> 01:22:07,699
that's when Craig since we've been done

1738
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:09,619
filming and this was one of my main

1739
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:11,210
reasons for wanting to get this film out

1740
01:22:17,049 --> 01:22:14,480
there he stopped calling me for about a

1741
01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:17,059
week and a half almost two weeks and I'm

1742
01:22:21,310 --> 01:22:19,369
like what is going on this is not like

1743
01:22:23,140 --> 01:22:21,320
Jimmy it's an instant callback type of

1744
01:22:24,879 --> 01:22:23,150
guy and then I started getting all these

1745
01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:24,889
phone calls from different payphones and

1746
01:22:30,370 --> 01:22:27,980
stuff over in Australia and it's Nicki

1747
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:30,380
and she finally calls me and she is

1748
01:22:35,770 --> 01:22:33,050
super freaked out and she was like Chad

1749
01:22:38,189 --> 01:22:35,780
they came back and I'm like what who and

1750
01:22:41,379 --> 01:22:38,199
she's like these two guys came back

1751
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:41,389
craig was at home alone he looks over by

1752
01:22:46,780 --> 01:22:44,449
the door and her cat is having like

1753
01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:46,790
seizures and Craig's like what is going

1754
01:22:53,049 --> 01:22:50,150
on and as he walks over to the door he

1755
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:53,059
feels like this like electricity

1756
01:22:57,850 --> 01:22:56,000
basically like in his body he's like you

1757
01:22:59,979 --> 01:22:57,860
know and hurts and he's like sitting

1758
01:23:01,450 --> 01:22:59,989
there almost like he can't move and he

1759
01:23:03,819 --> 01:23:01,460
looks at the door and he sees that both

1760
01:23:06,250 --> 01:23:03,829
of them are there and which they open

1761
01:23:10,540 --> 01:23:06,260
the door and they tell him according to

1762
01:23:13,689 --> 01:23:10,550
him they tell him straight up you know

1763
01:23:15,069 --> 01:23:13,699
we can ruin you you need to stop this we

1764
01:23:17,020 --> 01:23:15,079
know where your wife's at right now we

1765
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,030
know where your kids are at we know all

1766
01:23:24,129 --> 01:23:20,000
this like this is done we have eyes on

1767
01:23:27,580 --> 01:23:24,139
you 24/7 it's over in which Craig got a

1768
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:27,590
nosebleed from it and was completely

1769
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:29,510
freaked out now when you hear a story

1770
01:23:36,939 --> 01:23:33,710
this big I realized that the tendency is

1771
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:36,949
to just go oh come on come on I know

1772
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:40,159
this man Jimmy I know this man I know

1773
01:23:46,570 --> 01:23:44,000
his wife I know these I know they were

1774
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:46,580
being honest and that's what's so

1775
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:48,410
crazy about arbiters I know they're

1776
01:23:54,460 --> 01:23:51,530
being honest I eventually did speak to

1777
01:23:57,700 --> 01:23:54,470
Craig again in which he was extremely

1778
01:24:00,280 --> 01:23:57,710
scared very much beside himself as his

1779
01:24:02,230 --> 01:24:00,290
wife was as well and then I got another

1780
01:24:04,510 --> 01:24:02,240
phone call from Nicki a week later this

1781
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:04,520
is just now a couple weeks ago and when

1782
01:24:11,380 --> 01:24:06,890
she said she had they are watching her

1783
01:24:14,650 --> 01:24:11,390
house and I said well can you get a

1784
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:14,660
picture Maree get him on video and a

1785
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,490
couple days later I get a phone call and

1786
01:24:19,660 --> 01:24:18,080
she set up camera sending a picture and

1787
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:19,670
I'm like what is it she was just look at

1788
01:24:24,580 --> 01:24:21,920
it and she describes she said that there

1789
01:24:26,590 --> 01:24:24,590
was a man that was hanging out in the

1790
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:26,600
shadows of the trees outside there plays

1791
01:24:32,290 --> 01:24:29,570
and she said he had some kind of mask on

1792
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:32,300
that had a light glow to it that's how

1793
01:24:37,330 --> 01:24:34,370
they could see him I'm like what are you

1794
01:24:40,090 --> 01:24:37,340
talking about well I guess Craig had saw

1795
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,100
him out there and went out the back of

1796
01:24:44,260 --> 01:24:42,320
the door to his house and maneuvered

1797
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:44,270
himself around to take this photo and

1798
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:45,770
when I was with you last time I showed

1799
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:47,930
you the photo I've seen the photo I've

1800
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:50,330
seen it disturbing yes I've seen it that

1801
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:52,730
freaked me out yeah it's really

1802
01:25:02,050 --> 01:24:56,330
disturbing so for those of you out there

1803
01:25:06,820 --> 01:25:02,060
listening well the photo the photo we're

1804
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:06,830
gonna hit a break here the photo is if

1805
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,050
my memory is correct on this they're

1806
01:25:13,570 --> 01:25:12,080
across the street the photos like from

1807
01:25:15,460 --> 01:25:13,580
the house and you can see the street in

1808
01:25:18,610 --> 01:25:15,470
between and then over across the street

1809
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:18,620
is this figure standing there in black

1810
01:25:27,970 --> 01:25:23,450
but has got this crazy mask on his fat

1811
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:27,980
well it's a it's a distortion over the

1812
01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:29,690
face I think is a better way to describe

1813
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:35,000
it yeah there's a glow and it's crazy

1814
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:37,550
that's a disturbing and now if somebody

1815
01:25:41,410 --> 01:25:39,650
showed me the picture I don't know what

1816
01:25:43,390 --> 01:25:41,420
I would make of it you get the backstory

1817
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:43,400
to it you know the men in black and

1818
01:25:48,370 --> 01:25:46,490
we've got this this alien in this video

1819
01:25:50,020 --> 01:25:48,380
and and the government somebody is

1820
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:50,030
messing with this and knocks at the door

1821
01:25:55,150 --> 01:25:52,610
and then you take this picture

1822
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:55,160
it's a freaky picture it's a it's it's

1823
01:25:59,710 --> 01:25:58,250
disturbing for sure well it's August I

1824
01:26:02,140 --> 01:25:59,720
mean the thing that keeps that

1825
01:26:03,250 --> 01:26:02,150
this case is so mind-blowing to me when

1826
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:03,260
the government involvement is the

1827
01:26:08,290 --> 01:26:05,330
government has yet to deny anything

1828
01:26:10,510 --> 01:26:08,300
they've yet to talk about things to say

1829
01:26:13,420 --> 01:26:10,520
we're crazy to say no it's not happening

1830
01:26:16,270 --> 01:26:13,430
right I'm it's just it's the craziest

1831
01:26:18,340 --> 01:26:16,280
case ever now when we come back okay

1832
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:18,350
this is let's set up for when we come

1833
01:26:24,220 --> 01:26:19,970
back we're gonna talk about this missing

1834
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:24,230
time and how many members of the team

1835
01:26:32,020 --> 01:26:28,370
are on location how many how big is the

1836
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:32,030
group well at that time they had nine

1837
01:26:39,670 --> 01:26:35,320
members and they would usually do for

1838
01:26:42,730 --> 01:26:39,680
nine or five four or five minutes and so

1839
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,740
just like any ghost hunting paranormal

1840
01:26:46,210 --> 01:26:44,000
investigation you've got multiple

1841
01:26:47,710 --> 01:26:46,220
cameras you're having a time stamp

1842
01:26:50,050 --> 01:26:47,720
everything you're shooting all night

1843
01:26:53,980 --> 01:26:50,060
long you've got cameras rolling you've

1844
01:26:56,860 --> 01:26:53,990
got all of the time codes and everything

1845
01:26:58,420 --> 01:26:56,870
else so everybody's always documenting

1846
01:27:01,780 --> 01:26:58,430
their location so you know where you're

1847
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:01,790
at and you have to explain and debunk

1848
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:05,360
things that happen in in shot so the we

1849
01:27:09,220 --> 01:27:07,310
were there we were in the hallway so it

1850
01:27:12,300 --> 01:27:09,230
could be our shadow because with you

1851
01:27:14,590 --> 01:27:12,310
know everything is logged correct

1852
01:27:17,770 --> 01:27:14,600
correct well especially with these guys

1853
01:27:21,070 --> 01:27:17,780
yeah they were get on with this stuff

1854
01:27:23,170 --> 01:27:21,080
dead-on and this is where the missing

1855
01:27:25,390 --> 01:27:23,180
time comes in and when we come back

1856
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:25,400
after this break we're gonna get to that

1857
01:27:35,950 --> 01:27:33,110
and in the to face the gray footage this

1858
01:27:38,290 --> 01:27:35,960
is here and you need to go in and watch

1859
01:27:40,210 --> 01:27:38,300
this and it's not so much we're gonna

1860
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talk about this after the break it's not

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so much the the missing time part

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because that's obvious

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it's the reactions from everybody and

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how it goes down so let's take a break

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right here I guess tonight Chad Kayla

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we're talking about to face the gray his

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new documentary the links for it or over

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at Jimmy Tripps radio calm we also have

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them up in Twitter I'm your host Jimmy

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church we'll be right back after this

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short break

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stay

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black I'm assuming

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church tonight Chad Kayla cos with us

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we're talking about to face the gray his

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new documentary tomorrow night Linda

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Moulton Howe is here and Wednesday night

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Robert shot Thursday nights Fator night

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open lines all night long back to Chad

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and now let's get to this missing time

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element which is pretty amazing how it

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goes down in the documentary you present

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all of the footage there let's start

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from the beginning we'll get to the

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reactions of everybody in a second but

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as they start marching up the stairs is

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where as they are continuing this

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investigation that's where it starts

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tell us about that yeah well what's

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really cool about it is part of the

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reason why I wanted to documented these

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guys is because after watching the

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footage they were there so like

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professional about what they do they

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just do it all right I mean they were

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not a team that came together because of

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you know trying to get a TV show or

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something I mean these guys were like

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into it like Marines and so right away

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what you see is Richie I remember the

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team is he's sitting up you know the

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different you know rempods a different

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you know the wave recorders and they're

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they're doing their baseline walk around

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to basically figure out what are the

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01:34:20,049 --> 01:34:16,530
natural sounds of the building and he's

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a you know basically explaining to Nicky

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you know why and where he has set things

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up and a couple the rim pods start which

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01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:31,380
are like filled meters fill detected

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meters and they start kind of

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01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:34,739
malfunctioning and he's explaining that

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it was weird and why and you know before

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the whole thing even starts they say

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okay well this is here we are you know

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this is the date this is the time they

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all log it right there there's a third

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person with them they all log the time

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and you can follow right along with them

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I mean they're walking through it all

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they get to the top of the stairs

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I mean they've probably

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you know maybe only been at it for I

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think if you says at the end it's been

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nine minutes and so they all three

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logger time in the beginning and they

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get to the bottom of the stairs of the

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movement to a different floor and Nicki

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basically says well hey guys let's go

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ahead and log a time again because we're

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moving to another floor and you know

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it's about as authentic as anything that

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01:35:22,490 --> 01:35:20,730
you'll ever see

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you know she stops and she was like wait

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01:35:27,710 --> 01:35:24,390
a minute it's like that can't be right

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can it and you know they're walking down

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01:35:31,730 --> 01:35:28,920
the stairs and Ritchie's kind of like

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01:35:33,050 --> 01:35:31,740
stay there and she goes hey and she saw

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01:35:35,540 --> 01:35:33,060
something she's like what time do you

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guys have and he's like why and she was

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01:35:39,860 --> 01:35:37,890
like you know I basically had there's

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01:35:41,810 --> 01:35:39,870
been over an hour that we've been here

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01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:41,820
and she said I think I could be wrong

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01:35:46,940 --> 01:35:45,360
she's like it's 12:05 and her yeah I

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01:35:50,060 --> 01:35:46,950
think is what she says it doesn't matter

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01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:50,070
but yeah like it's no it's not it can't

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be we've been holy stairs for an hour

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yeah and your wife and they checked

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01:36:02,240 --> 01:35:58,650
there they both independently check

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01:36:07,490 --> 01:36:02,250
their watches as well and she's like

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01:36:12,260 --> 01:36:07,500
Imogen huh yeah yeah yes it is it's now

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this time and what's crazy is you know

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and I have all the footage they go back

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from the moment they check their watch

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and so the first loss of time check that

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01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:24,420
they do it was all of nine minutes yeah

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nine minutes and and I don't mean to

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01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:31,830
laugh but because it goes down in real

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time and you can see it and you're

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01:36:38,690 --> 01:36:37,890
watching the footage clearly it hasn't

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been that long

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right right right there's no way and

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01:36:46,430 --> 01:36:44,370
there's no way and this wasn't the only

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01:36:48,110 --> 01:36:46,440
time that this had happened this had

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happened to other members on the island

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01:36:53,690 --> 01:36:50,730
before this had happened during EVP

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01:36:58,010 --> 01:36:53,700
sessions before this was just a time

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that that was so clearly visible on you

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01:37:02,120 --> 01:36:59,580
know the what's of cameras

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why used to laugh and say to Craig I'd

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be like this island reminds me of like

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the Lost Island you know like in the TV

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01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:09,990
show Lost right or like just everything

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01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:11,130
seems to be possible

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01:37:17,209 --> 01:37:14,250
here you know it's the weirdest thing I

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01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,219
mean but what about that footage

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01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:20,159
specifically you know what's so unique

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01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:23,760
about it is there's an authenticity that

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01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:27,170
comes when people are being real and

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01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:29,610
like it's like you said the reactions

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and the conversation that goes on

2061
01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:35,190
because Nikki's clearly just freaked out

2062
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:38,400
by what's going on now how is this how

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01:37:45,229 --> 01:37:42,050
is this in relation to the timestamp on

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01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:45,239
on to face at that moment when he pops

2065
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:49,770
in the French doors is is it close to

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01:37:56,810 --> 01:37:53,370
that same time Oh sir no face mm-hmm

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01:37:58,370 --> 01:37:56,820
yeah yes or no face but I think he says

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I don't think included in the interview

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01:38:04,459 --> 01:38:01,710
this was a day or two before sir no face

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01:38:06,430 --> 01:38:04,469
happened okay I got you yeah the same

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01:38:10,879 --> 01:38:06,440
basic area yeah

2072
01:38:13,340 --> 01:38:10,889
basic time point so yeah I mean it's

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01:38:15,050 --> 01:38:13,350
it's really astonishing and that was

2074
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:15,060
something that always struck with me and

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01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,730
we did talk about that a lot do we

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01:38:21,410 --> 01:38:19,679
include this in certain el face do we

2077
01:38:23,209 --> 01:38:21,420
not include this in certain no face and

2078
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:23,219
one of the reasons that we did initially

2079
01:38:31,939 --> 01:38:27,360
include it is because with the

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01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:31,949
paranormal world which is different than

2081
01:38:35,540 --> 01:38:33,330
the world of ethology but the paranormal

2082
01:38:36,979 --> 01:38:35,550
world all people really care about from

2083
01:38:39,620 --> 01:38:36,989
the filmmaking standpoint is what they

2084
01:38:41,390 --> 01:38:39,630
can visibly see right so we were like

2085
01:38:44,689 --> 01:38:41,400
okay we just want to focus on the hard

2086
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:44,699
evidence of like the visual stuff and

2087
01:38:49,459 --> 01:38:47,130
not overlay people with so many

2088
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:49,469
different events that you start diluting

2089
01:38:54,140 --> 01:38:52,650
everything by so much stuff and it was

2090
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:54,150
already an hour and 40 minute long

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01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:57,330
documentary and also the implications we

2092
01:39:03,260 --> 01:39:01,199
knew were more extraterrestrial than

2093
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:03,270
they were paranormal because that's

2094
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,850
that's not a common occurrence in in

2095
01:39:10,399 --> 01:39:07,920
ghost cases you don't often hear people

2096
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:10,409
go man time just disappeared you know

2097
01:39:14,990 --> 01:39:11,730
that's just not but you hear it

2098
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:15,000
constantly and especially in contactee

2099
01:39:21,169 --> 01:39:19,170
cases and this also happened as I get

2100
01:39:23,029 --> 01:39:21,179
into the the tattooed space man that

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01:39:25,339 --> 01:39:23,039
brought me the package

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01:39:28,939 --> 01:39:25,349
reading his story that was in his

2103
01:39:31,279 --> 01:39:28,949
package it dated back to 1973 he and his

2104
01:39:33,889 --> 01:39:31,289
wife were in town Phil we're in a car

2105
01:39:36,979 --> 01:39:33,899
drove around the corner and saw this

2106
01:39:39,649 --> 01:39:36,989
glowing ships of light that's the

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01:39:43,579 --> 01:39:39,659
description UFO in which the first thing

2108
01:39:45,559 --> 01:39:43,589
he experienced his loss of time that he

2109
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:45,569
thought it had been 15 minutes and it

2110
01:39:54,139 --> 01:39:50,010
had been close to 10 hours just happens

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01:39:56,089 --> 01:39:54,149
a lot and then I want to move on I want

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01:39:57,589 --> 01:39:56,099
everybody to go and you just have to go

2113
01:40:00,679 --> 01:39:57,599
and watch the documentary and see how

2114
01:40:03,409 --> 01:40:00,689
this is laid out it's a very crucial

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01:40:05,779 --> 01:40:03,419
point for all of us in the UFO community

2116
01:40:07,909 --> 01:40:05,789
when you have the missing time element

2117
01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:07,919
thrown in that's the one we all raise an

2118
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:10,260
eyebrow you know it's it's a common

2119
01:40:16,759 --> 01:40:13,129
theme that is that is woven through but

2120
01:40:21,589 --> 01:40:16,769
and then you had the tattoo faced a guy

2121
01:40:23,779 --> 01:40:21,599
and his experience but then for me you

2122
01:40:27,919 --> 01:40:23,789
really went down the rabbit hole when

2123
01:40:31,939 --> 01:40:27,929
you got contacted by somebody else

2124
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:31,949
you know David Skyfall Dan David Skyfall

2125
01:40:35,389 --> 01:40:33,449
now yeah

2126
01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:35,399
which dare I say is not his Christian

2127
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:38,729
name and as you mentioned you know I'm

2128
01:40:42,889 --> 01:40:41,010
sure something while I'm hoping

2129
01:40:46,399 --> 01:40:42,899
something's gonna pop up here in Twitter

2130
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:46,409
Daniel David Skyfall so you get your

2131
01:40:51,229 --> 01:40:49,289
first email from him and he reaches out

2132
01:40:54,289 --> 01:40:51,239
to you what happens what did he say in

2133
01:40:57,770 --> 01:40:54,299
that yeah I come home and now you know I

2134
01:40:59,500 --> 01:40:57,780
get emails all the time you know from

2135
01:41:03,379 --> 01:40:59,510
fans that you know even have their own

2136
01:41:05,059 --> 01:41:03,389
experiences they have ideas this was

2137
01:41:10,129 --> 01:41:05,069
different right away I mean this thing

2138
01:41:15,349 --> 01:41:10,139
was a book sized email and this

2139
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:15,359
gentleman very bluntly said hey I know

2140
01:41:22,369 --> 01:41:18,239
you are I know what you're doing

2141
01:41:24,770 --> 01:41:22,379
you and Craig primarily clay initially

2142
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:24,780
have stumbled upon something much

2143
01:41:31,129 --> 01:41:29,010
greater than you and this is what's

2144
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,139
going on and I'll get into that in a

2145
01:41:34,579 --> 01:41:33,119
second and it was just again like like

2146
01:41:36,019 --> 01:41:34,589
if I'd to print it out I've been 60

2147
01:41:36,649 --> 01:41:36,029
pages I mean I never flipped so many

2148
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:36,659
times in my

2149
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:40,770
in my life reading this email and so I

2150
01:41:44,959 --> 01:41:42,650
started questioning him back right away

2151
01:41:46,729 --> 01:41:44,969
I'm just going well

2152
01:41:48,290 --> 01:41:46,739
come on your name can't be Danny David

2153
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:48,300
Skyfall I mean that sounds about as

2154
01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:50,130
cheesy is like I think I say in the film

2155
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:51,630
it's like the sound like the bad guy in

2156
01:41:57,229 --> 01:41:53,730
a James Bond film or something right and

2157
01:41:58,970 --> 01:41:57,239
he replies and says you know I'm not

2158
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:58,980
gonna give you my real name don't even

2159
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:00,239
try to look for it you're not going to

2160
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:03,840
find it he claimed that he worked for an

2161
01:42:10,850 --> 01:42:07,679
unacknowledged intelligent agency in

2162
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:10,860
which his job was to blur the UFO

2163
01:42:16,100 --> 01:42:12,719
narrative in whatever direction he was

2164
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:16,110
ultimately told to it's through through

2165
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:19,440
basically a disinformation making

2166
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,040
certain people look stupid just putting

2167
01:42:27,140 --> 01:42:24,960
things out into the world to to

2168
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:27,150
basically bend whatever they want the

2169
01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:29,370
story to be and what she claimed and

2170
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:31,739
does until he learned the real story in

2171
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:34,230
which again he claimed that he's

2172
01:42:38,510 --> 01:42:36,840
essentially trying to I guess the

2173
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:38,520
Mexican squares right right is wrong

2174
01:42:40,850 --> 01:42:39,900
he's trying to get the real story out

2175
01:42:43,310 --> 01:42:40,860
there right now

2176
01:42:47,209 --> 01:42:43,320
now I did not believe any of this and I

2177
01:42:48,500 --> 01:42:47,219
told him that and I said and and I felt

2178
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:48,510
a way I found his story to be

2179
01:42:52,610 --> 01:42:50,250
fascinating the stuff that he sent me

2180
01:42:54,919 --> 01:42:52,620
but I just said you know this could also

2181
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:54,929
you know you could just be some guy

2182
01:42:59,450 --> 01:42:57,449
that's just messing with me so I asked

2183
01:43:01,280 --> 01:42:59,460
him a very very unique question one

2184
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:01,290
question that I knew there's no possible

2185
01:43:06,740 --> 01:43:03,840
way that he could know I'm known in the

2186
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:06,750
public as Chad now that's actually a

2187
01:43:11,629 --> 01:43:08,610
nickname my father gave to me my real

2188
01:43:13,100 --> 01:43:11,639
name is Charles now some people know

2189
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:13,110
this it's been mentioned before in the

2190
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:15,210
public but but one thing I knew that

2191
01:43:21,470 --> 01:43:18,690
nobody knew is that I actually have four

2192
01:43:23,629 --> 01:43:21,480
names I have two middle names Charles

2193
01:43:26,930 --> 01:43:23,639
Michael David K lik is actually my name

2194
01:43:28,939 --> 01:43:26,940
but but the only way and the only place

2195
01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:28,949
on planet Earth that David shows up is

2196
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:30,900
on my birth certificate it's not in

2197
01:43:36,919 --> 01:43:33,510
anything else it's just it's the drop

2198
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:36,929
name in my name and nobody knows except

2199
01:43:41,209 --> 01:43:39,510
like my wife I remember my dad it's

2200
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:41,219
nowhere in the public never spoke about

2201
01:43:47,450 --> 01:43:44,489
it so I said to him I'm asking a few

2202
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:47,460
questions and and a couple I felt like

2203
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:49,050
if he dug deep enough he could find but

2204
01:43:51,390 --> 01:43:49,360
the

2205
01:43:54,630 --> 01:43:51,400
important one was what is my middle name

2206
01:43:56,490 --> 01:43:54,640
in which here's what's weird I would

2207
01:44:00,330 --> 01:43:56,500
respond to him and I would get an email

2208
01:44:02,220 --> 01:44:00,340
back stating I'd like that that email

2209
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:02,230
doesn't exist like when someone sends

2210
01:44:05,820 --> 01:44:04,000
you an email and then just shuts down

2211
01:44:08,340 --> 01:44:05,830
their account so it'd be like it doesn't

2212
01:44:10,260 --> 01:44:08,350
exist but the weird thing is then I

2213
01:44:12,630 --> 01:44:10,270
would get a response to the email that I

2214
01:44:15,210 --> 01:44:12,640
sent I'm like whoa this feels like a

2215
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:15,220
hacker like what is going on so he

2216
01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:19,600
responds and he says you it's a he says

2217
01:44:24,020 --> 01:44:21,910
I he say his exact words in the film but

2218
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:24,030
essentially says it's a trick question

2219
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:26,530
your middle name or which do you prefer

2220
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:29,440
Michael or David yeah I about fell out

2221
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:32,170
of my chair right I was like what is

2222
01:44:39,230 --> 01:44:34,150
going on

2223
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:39,240
and so I I basically respond him and say

2224
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:40,770
you know I

2225
01:44:45,630 --> 01:44:43,570
you should come forward if this story

2226
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:45,640
that you're telling me is true you know

2227
01:44:50,210 --> 01:44:48,400
you should come forward and in which he

2228
01:44:54,260 --> 01:44:50,220
made it clear that that's not an option

2229
01:44:58,220 --> 01:44:54,270
but the story that he laid out was just

2230
01:45:02,510 --> 01:44:58,230
fascinating to me and it was essentially

2231
01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:02,520
what he's saying is that you know this

2232
01:45:06,450 --> 01:45:04,510
narrative the people been talking about

2233
01:45:09,090 --> 01:45:06,460
for years of this like steak alien

2234
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:09,100
invasion coming he's basically laying

2235
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:13,600
out that that there's going to be a fake

2236
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,480
alien invasion to gain the support of

2237
01:45:21,690 --> 01:45:18,400
the public because there's a real one

2238
01:45:24,180 --> 01:45:21,700
coming and the powers that be that are

2239
01:45:26,460 --> 01:45:24,190
running you know the industrial military

2240
01:45:28,740 --> 01:45:26,470
complex the oil complex like all these

2241
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:28,750
companies that they don't want to give

2242
01:45:32,340 --> 01:45:30,130
up what they're doing a date they do

2243
01:45:34,950 --> 01:45:32,350
want to fight they do want to war and

2244
01:45:36,750 --> 01:45:34,960
what he's been saying and which is most

2245
01:45:39,060 --> 01:45:36,760
fascinating thing in his tale that he

2246
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:39,070
lays out there is that we have been

2247
01:45:47,790 --> 01:45:43,650
attacking UFOs and extraterrestrials for

2248
01:45:50,670 --> 01:45:47,800
60 years and he lays out where these

2249
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:50,680
attacks were when they happened who was

2250
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:51,850
involved and which will be interesting

2251
01:45:56,180 --> 01:45:53,890
about that story Jimmy like in the

2252
01:45:59,190 --> 01:45:56,190
beginning of it when I'm laying out his

2253
01:46:01,500 --> 01:45:59,200
narrative there's things that sound like

2254
01:46:02,220 --> 01:46:01,510
so crazy like the whole uranium thing

2255
01:46:08,380 --> 01:46:02,230
like

2256
01:46:10,030 --> 01:46:08,390
many years later you know you start

2257
01:46:12,670 --> 01:46:10,040
seeing these interviews where these

2258
01:46:15,390 --> 01:46:12,680
facts start coming out one of my

2259
01:46:18,460 --> 01:46:15,400
favorite parts of that story is when

2260
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:18,470
Admiral Byrd many people have seen it

2261
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:20,930
Admiral Byrd is given that interview on

2262
01:46:26,860 --> 01:46:24,080
that TV show about him going through

2263
01:46:31,540 --> 01:46:26,870
Antarctica and he was talking about all

2264
01:46:33,070 --> 01:46:31,550
the things that could be mined and he's

2265
01:46:36,580 --> 01:46:33,080
like there's oil down there and there's

2266
01:46:40,030 --> 01:46:36,590
this that this and he pauses and he gets

2267
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:40,040
a smile he's like in there's uranium and

2268
01:46:46,630 --> 01:46:43,210
that's like one of the first things that

2269
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:46,640
David skyfall listed in his story that

2270
01:46:52,060 --> 01:46:50,330
all of these countries Germany Russia

2271
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:52,070
and the United States

2272
01:46:58,420 --> 01:46:54,850
that's what initially took us to

2273
01:47:02,650 --> 01:46:58,430
Antarctica was looking for uranium for

2274
01:47:04,420 --> 01:47:02,660
what would be the first nuclear bomb so

2275
01:47:06,490 --> 01:47:04,430
it gets heavy deep and you're right it

2276
01:47:08,770 --> 01:47:06,500
goes way down the rabbit hole

2277
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:08,780
and I'm still trying to get this

2278
01:47:14,250 --> 01:47:11,840
gentleman to come forward and I'm hoping

2279
01:47:18,010 --> 01:47:14,260
that somebody out there hears this name

2280
01:47:20,980 --> 01:47:18,020
Daniel David Skyfall and knows something

2281
01:47:23,110 --> 01:47:20,990
about this because the one thing I do

2282
01:47:24,940 --> 01:47:23,120
want to add to everybody is you know a

2283
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:24,950
lot of times in the in the at least if

2284
01:47:29,170 --> 01:47:26,570
the you apology side is anything like

2285
01:47:31,870 --> 01:47:29,180
the ghost side of the paranormal people

2286
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:31,880
just love to know everything they just

2287
01:47:36,730 --> 01:47:34,370
love to be the guy that knows I'm not

2288
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:36,740
that guy I'm that guy that believes in

2289
01:47:41,890 --> 01:47:38,450
like the landline you know like when you

2290
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:41,900
play what's that one game where they

2291
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:44,210
like I like to go to the audience for my

2292
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:45,920
landline and then usually it's the right

2293
01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:47,810
answer like I think the only way we're

2294
01:47:52,330 --> 01:47:49,280
going to get answers are sourcing a

2295
01:47:55,330 --> 01:47:52,340
large group of people and so this film

2296
01:47:58,030 --> 01:47:55,340
is very much not only my investigation

2297
01:48:00,930 --> 01:47:58,040
but very much a call to the public to

2298
01:48:02,830 --> 01:48:00,940
say let's figure this out together

2299
01:48:05,980 --> 01:48:02,840
figure out what's going on

2300
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:05,990
and what you do in the film you probably

2301
01:48:12,010 --> 01:48:10,010
take a full it's gotta be man it seems

2302
01:48:14,500 --> 01:48:12,020
like about 30 minutes you break down

2303
01:48:18,460 --> 01:48:14,510
this email from

2304
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:18,470
they asked Skyfall in its entirety yeah

2305
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:21,050
it's exactly 30 minutes as an hour-and

2306
01:48:26,230 --> 01:48:23,210
48-minute film in 30 minutes of it is

2307
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:26,240
about his story because there was no way

2308
01:48:32,110 --> 01:48:28,970
to tell it without telling it you know

2309
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:32,120
as far as like how because the chain of

2310
01:48:35,860 --> 01:48:34,250
events like breaking down the years of

2311
01:48:38,290 --> 01:48:35,870
the dates and the days and when this

2312
01:48:41,370 --> 01:48:38,300
happened and the leaders of the

2313
01:48:43,690 --> 01:48:41,380
different countries was very important

2314
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:43,700
and then obviously it brings you all the

2315
01:48:48,430 --> 01:48:46,730
way up to full scale with Elon Musk and

2316
01:48:51,130 --> 01:48:48,440
what's going on right now which you know

2317
01:48:53,770 --> 01:48:51,140
we had this conversation - last time I

2318
01:48:55,690 --> 01:48:53,780
saw you where my first manager that I

2319
01:48:57,850 --> 01:48:55,700
ever had back in the day he wasn't

2320
01:48:58,750 --> 01:48:57,860
talking paranormally speaking but it

2321
01:49:00,670 --> 01:48:58,760
still makes sense

2322
01:49:02,230 --> 01:49:00,680
he said this we were actually talking

2323
01:49:03,490 --> 01:49:02,240
about the industry back then but he said

2324
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,500
you know if he really wants you ever

2325
01:49:07,930 --> 01:49:05,600
really want to know what is going on in

2326
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:07,940
the world just look at the actions of

2327
01:49:11,980 --> 01:49:09,440
the ultra wealthy and the ultra elite

2328
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:11,990
and what's really unique right now is

2329
01:49:19,420 --> 01:49:15,290
whether it's Elon Musk or you know be

2330
01:49:21,460 --> 01:49:19,430
Zeus or Bozeman or Branson everybody's

2331
01:49:22,660 --> 01:49:21,470
trying to get off the planet everyone's

2332
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:22,670
trying to get to Mars and they're trying

2333
01:49:28,510 --> 01:49:26,290
to get there quick and it's so weird how

2334
01:49:31,180 --> 01:49:28,520
and the reason I bring this up is part

2335
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:31,190
of didn't know David skyfall's story

2336
01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:34,400
kind of surrounded that that there is

2337
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:37,960
such an urgency that came out of nowhere

2338
01:49:47,380 --> 01:49:41,530
to get off this planet and to do it fast

2339
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:47,390
the the other parts of his letter how

2340
01:49:53,770 --> 01:49:50,480
much as who were confirming some of the

2341
01:49:56,690 --> 01:49:53,780
stuff how much correspondence did you

2342
01:50:02,100 --> 01:49:56,700
have back and forth with him

2343
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:02,110
not a lot because I could tell he he was

2344
01:50:07,470 --> 01:50:04,810
getting nervous I think by me because I

2345
01:50:09,540 --> 01:50:07,480
was trying to get him I was trying to

2346
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:09,550
get him to reveal his real identity and

2347
01:50:14,670 --> 01:50:12,130
meet with me that's what I wanted I

2348
01:50:16,440 --> 01:50:14,680
wanted him to meet with me because I

2349
01:50:17,010 --> 01:50:16,450
kept saying to him look I can tell your

2350
01:50:19,020 --> 01:50:17,020
story

2351
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:19,030
and it could be very compelling I

2352
01:50:24,180 --> 01:50:21,610
believe that it is but if you really

2353
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:24,190
want to drive this home you got to step

2354
01:50:30,630 --> 01:50:26,890
forward like you got to let people

2355
01:50:33,090 --> 01:50:30,640
confirm you know who you are and you

2356
01:50:34,830 --> 01:50:33,100
know in the initial responses I got back

2357
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:34,840
about that he said you don't understand

2358
01:50:40,170 --> 01:50:36,730
how this works they would never allow

2359
01:50:43,410 --> 01:50:40,180
that and I think I kind of what he means

2360
01:50:45,540 --> 01:50:43,420
in the sense that like if you look at I

2361
01:50:48,060 --> 01:50:45,550
recently watched the Bob Lazar

2362
01:50:50,730 --> 01:50:48,070
documentary which I thought Jimmy

2363
01:50:53,010 --> 01:50:50,740
Cordell is a beautiful film very much

2364
01:50:56,370 --> 01:50:53,020
you know Majda Bob and his story and I

2365
01:50:58,650 --> 01:50:56,380
thought it was great but the same

2366
01:51:03,330 --> 01:50:58,660
problem exists there's enough of his

2367
01:51:05,130 --> 01:51:03,340
past that's put into question that there

2368
01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:05,140
will always be the ability to punch

2369
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:10,030
holes in that story and I think that's

2370
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:12,880
kind of what he was saying is like you

2371
01:51:15,630 --> 01:51:15,130
know I can't like they'll never let that

2372
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:15,640
happen

2373
01:51:19,290 --> 01:51:17,650
like I can't come for no man no one's

2374
01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:19,300
gonna go yep he's right that's what he

2375
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:22,360
did he worked for us he did this and

2376
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:24,880
we've seen that you know in history one

2377
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:26,080
of the things that the film jumps into

2378
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:29,970
is you know recently with the Tom

2379
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:33,130
DeLonge thing and the the government

2380
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:35,410
releasing the three clips right the DoD

2381
01:51:38,820 --> 01:51:37,690
version include three what the public

2382
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:38,830
doesn't realize a lot of people in

2383
01:51:44,970 --> 01:51:41,050
public don't realize is when you see

2384
01:51:47,790 --> 01:51:44,980
like the captain David flavor who flew

2385
01:51:50,460 --> 01:51:47,800
the plane it's a tic-tac UFO and when

2386
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:50,470
you see these guys on Fox and I'm seeing

2387
01:51:55,650 --> 01:51:54,010
in it's not like Fox and CNN called them

2388
01:51:58,020 --> 01:51:55,660
up and found no like the Department of

2389
01:52:00,840 --> 01:51:58,030
Defense had publicist they had people

2390
01:52:03,660 --> 01:52:00,850
who like set all this up like there's a

2391
01:52:07,590 --> 01:52:03,670
reason why all this stuff is coming out

2392
01:52:09,420 --> 01:52:07,600
right now and why forever if you said

2393
01:52:10,110 --> 01:52:09,430
there was a UFO the government's stance

2394
01:52:14,250 --> 01:52:10,120
was you're

2395
01:52:17,550 --> 01:52:14,260
crazy mistaken drunk it's swamp gas it's

2396
01:52:20,190 --> 01:52:17,560
balloons you know you're a whack-job and

2397
01:52:22,980 --> 01:52:20,200
it turns out oh I guess you're not and

2398
01:52:25,770 --> 01:52:22,990
they do it that easily so I think what

2399
01:52:26,970 --> 01:52:25,780
he was trying to say to me is that when

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01:52:30,060 --> 01:52:26,980
he says they would never let that happen

2401
01:52:33,090 --> 01:52:30,070
I think he just means that then you know

2402
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:33,100
he the narrative he can't put a name to

2403
01:52:36,300 --> 01:52:34,690
his face because they'll destroy who he

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01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:36,310
really is

2405
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:39,610
but I I don't know I just don't I think

2406
01:52:43,290 --> 01:52:42,250
there's enough belief in it now that

2407
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:43,300
things could be different than they've

2408
01:52:46,740 --> 01:52:44,560
been in the past and maybe I'm just

2409
01:52:50,490 --> 01:52:46,750
being optimistic moments the last time

2410
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:50,500
you had correspondence with Skyfall how

2411
01:52:57,450 --> 01:52:53,650
many times know what the last oh the

2412
01:52:59,280 --> 01:52:57,460
last was probably I would say I could

2413
01:53:02,160 --> 01:52:59,290
well I could look it up exactly it had

2414
01:53:05,220 --> 01:53:02,170
been right before us had been right

2415
01:53:06,740 --> 01:53:05,230
before Halloween so it hasn't been it's

2416
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:06,750
been since then

2417
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:09,850
Halloween okay so a few months or less

2418
01:53:16,530 --> 01:53:13,570
right okay yeah why he's probably

2419
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:16,540
listening to this program right now so

2420
01:53:25,620 --> 01:53:19,840
I'm gonna ask Skyfall to reach out to

2421
01:53:28,230 --> 01:53:25,630
Chad and I again reach back to us and I

2422
01:53:28,860 --> 01:53:28,240
would like to talk to you and let's do

2423
01:53:33,330 --> 01:53:28,870
it together

2424
01:53:36,540 --> 01:53:33,340
with Chad and and and take things a step

2425
01:53:39,870 --> 01:53:36,550
further and the reason the reason for

2426
01:53:43,410 --> 01:53:39,880
that is there are a certain amount of

2427
01:53:46,170 --> 01:53:43,420
disclosures that he does in this email

2428
01:53:50,670 --> 01:53:46,180
especially towards the end which I'm

2429
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:50,680
pretty comfortable in and in

2430
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:53,530
understanding you know yeah and I just

2431
01:53:59,040 --> 01:53:56,170
want to go there as far as I want to go

2432
01:54:02,940 --> 01:53:59,050
with it in that with what happened in

2433
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:02,950
2018 and what we can expect in 2019 when

2434
01:54:08,430 --> 01:54:05,440
it comes to disclosure and what is going

2435
01:54:13,500 --> 01:54:08,440
on with like Elon Musk and his posting

2436
01:54:15,420 --> 01:54:13,510
is tweeting of of Armstrong

2437
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:15,430
with the picture of the alien and you

2438
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:18,730
know that spelled backwards is is a li

2439
01:54:23,910 --> 01:54:21,520
okay there's like a lot of strange

2440
01:54:26,220 --> 01:54:23,920
things that are happening right now so

2441
01:54:28,410 --> 01:54:26,230
play out with that narrative in that

2442
01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:28,420
story and Rico well yeah I'm pretty

2443
01:54:32,130 --> 01:54:30,760
comfortable with it yeah so yeah well

2444
01:54:35,490 --> 01:54:32,140
the thing is Daniel if you're listening

2445
01:54:38,850 --> 01:54:35,500
right now I would say that you know not

2446
01:54:42,900 --> 01:54:38,860
only is there a story of great interest

2447
01:54:44,729 --> 01:54:42,910
to humanity there's there's a family

2448
01:54:47,250 --> 01:54:44,739
that's that's terrified right now

2449
01:54:50,250 --> 01:54:47,260
and like that kind of stuffs got to end

2450
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:50,260
like people have to be able to you know

2451
01:54:56,070 --> 01:54:52,570
have curiosity without being threatened

2452
01:55:00,120 --> 01:54:56,080
I mean that has to go and the way to do

2453
01:55:02,430 --> 01:55:00,130
it is to yeah it is basic as it sounds

2454
01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:02,440
it's disclosure it's just bringing it

2455
01:55:08,030 --> 01:55:04,900
out you know bringing it out so yeah

2456
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:08,040
please get a hold of us both again and

2457
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:10,239
hopefully he feels comfortable enough to

2458
01:55:15,570 --> 01:55:12,370
actually say who he is and where he's at

2459
01:55:17,550 --> 01:55:15,580
well what's the reaction been - as we

2460
01:55:21,950 --> 01:55:17,560
head into the next break here what's the

2461
01:55:24,210 --> 01:55:21,960
reaction been so far - to face

2462
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:24,220
phenomenal yeah it's been phenomenal

2463
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:28,260
which which was very rewarding for me

2464
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:31,570
because I was very admittedly stepping

2465
01:55:36,750 --> 01:55:34,330
into a new area that I just haven't been

2466
01:55:38,729 --> 01:55:36,760
before and I and I wasn't doing it you

2467
01:55:41,310 --> 01:55:38,739
know in a way where like I know what I

2468
01:55:44,010 --> 01:55:41,320
know you know I think I think if the

2469
01:55:46,740 --> 01:55:44,020
reaction has been so positive because

2470
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:46,750
I'm being very open about the fact that

2471
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:48,480
I don't claim to have all the answers

2472
01:55:54,510 --> 01:55:50,800
that this is an ongoing investigation

2473
01:55:56,729 --> 01:55:54,520
that was filming up until October so

2474
01:56:01,560 --> 01:55:56,739
it's almost real-time the response has

2475
01:56:05,180 --> 01:56:01,570
been incredible really incredible so I'm

2476
01:56:08,220 --> 01:56:05,190
hoping that you know like I said that

2477
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:08,230
people continue to get involved with

2478
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:11,440
this case and if they have you know

2479
01:56:17,310 --> 01:56:13,840
direct information about what's going on

2480
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:17,320
you know definitely you know email me

2481
01:56:20,729 --> 01:56:18,730
and let me know but the response has

2482
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:20,739
been wonderful so let's take a break

2483
01:56:26,140 --> 01:56:22,850
right here and when we come back

2484
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:26,150
wanted to get into the fake alien

2485
01:56:34,050 --> 01:56:30,170
invasion part and why sir no face and

2486
01:56:37,180 --> 01:56:34,060
two-face actually come into play and

2487
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:37,190
your approach to this in the film was

2488
01:56:43,900 --> 01:56:40,400
pretty interesting but before all of

2489
01:56:45,610 --> 01:56:43,910
this from from Skyfall from Daniel had

2490
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:45,620
you ever heard of like Project Blue Beam

2491
01:56:49,870 --> 01:56:47,570
have you ever heard of a fake alien

2492
01:56:54,490 --> 01:56:49,880
invasion did you ever consider any of

2493
01:56:58,420 --> 01:56:54,500
this before this yeah you know what I

2494
01:57:02,800 --> 01:56:58,430
had heard I hadn't heard I had heard of

2495
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:02,810
Project Blue Beam and but I I had heard

2496
01:57:06,730 --> 01:57:04,610
it was for different stuff I in here was

2497
01:57:08,020 --> 01:57:06,740
for a fake invasion I didn't really

2498
01:57:11,770 --> 01:57:08,030
learn about that until I started

2499
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:11,780
researching the stuff about a oh gosh

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01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:14,330
what was the Nazi Wernher von Braun

2501
01:57:18,250 --> 01:57:16,400
mm-hm and it was something he predicted

2502
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:18,260
mm-hmm and I was like oh that's

2503
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:18,880
interesting

2504
01:57:25,780 --> 01:57:23,690
and then the Project Blue Beam the first

2505
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:25,790
I heard about it is when there was some

2506
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:28,130
that Japanese city or Chinese city in

2507
01:57:33,010 --> 01:57:30,530
the clouds right and that's the first

2508
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:33,020
I'd heard of it yeah that was still

2509
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:35,210
pretty fascinating photographs and I

2510
01:57:39,460 --> 01:57:36,770
don't care what anybody says those were

2511
01:57:42,010 --> 01:57:39,470
pretty amazing it happened three or four

2512
01:57:44,140 --> 01:57:42,020
times and I know I know I know pretty

2513
01:57:45,820 --> 01:57:44,150
amazing photography and the fact that

2514
01:57:48,370 --> 01:57:45,830
they are actual you know real

2515
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:48,380
photographs pretty amazing stuff our

2516
01:57:53,020 --> 01:57:50,210
guest tonight Chad kala we're talking

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about his new film to face the greatest

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welcome back fade to black

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I am your host Jimmy Church our guest

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tonight at Kayla we're talking about his

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new documentary sequel to cirno face

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it's called to face the grey the links

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for the documentary are right there to

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meet Church radio calm we've also posted

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them up in Twitter and now this is where

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I mean for me it's easy for me to the

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the fork in the road that is happening

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here with you but for you Chad this is

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ufology this is UFOs aliens is et this

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is contact this is all a whole new area

2643
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and there's a part of the documentary

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for me I was like okay now now we're

2645
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starting to make a lot of sense here and

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it's it's a tough one for for those

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outside of the community to grasp a hold

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of and understand but it is taking to

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face into the possibility of another

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area which is gray yes he's three and a

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half feet tall yes but now the

2652
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:07,480
possibility of him maybe being a bio

2653
02:04:18,010 --> 02:04:14,050
Android right and man when I read that

2654
02:04:21,609 --> 02:04:18,020
initially you know this possibility and

2655
02:04:26,109 --> 02:04:21,619
I when I watched that video well you

2656
02:04:29,290 --> 02:04:26,119
only get into how I yeah blew my mind

2657
02:04:31,810 --> 02:04:29,300
telling you when when you went down that

2658
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:31,820
road I was like okay here we go

2659
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:33,199
now this starts to answer a lot of

2660
02:04:37,209 --> 02:04:36,650
questions so let's let's go down this

2661
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:37,219
road

2662
02:04:45,030 --> 02:04:40,880
what what happened well look by the end

2663
02:04:48,129 --> 02:04:45,040
of Daniels David sky falls you know

2664
02:04:50,049 --> 02:04:48,139
explanation the one thing that I the

2665
02:04:52,270 --> 02:04:50,059
bridge I couldn't cross I was like okay

2666
02:04:54,189 --> 02:04:52,280
this is all a fascinating story but

2667
02:04:57,700 --> 02:04:54,199
where's the Australian connection like

2668
02:05:02,319 --> 02:04:57,710
what you know this is a was about you

2669
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:02,329
know to faith or sir no face and so you

2670
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:03,290
know in

2671
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:05,450
there's something's Daniel just lays out

2672
02:05:09,340 --> 02:05:07,610
and some things it's almost like he

2673
02:05:11,290 --> 02:05:09,350
breadcrumbs it knowing that I won't

2674
02:05:14,740 --> 02:05:11,300
believe it unless I find it myself type

2675
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:14,750
of stuff right and so I you know I start

2676
02:05:19,540 --> 02:05:16,610
digging the most obvious thing that I

2677
02:05:24,310 --> 02:05:19,550
found in Australia which dates way back

2678
02:05:26,860 --> 02:05:24,320
nets and multiple purposes is the Pine

2679
02:05:29,710 --> 02:05:26,870
Gap at Alice Springs which was a

2680
02:05:32,070 --> 02:05:29,720
initially it was labeled a joint space

2681
02:05:36,430 --> 02:05:32,080
research facility between the CIA and

2682
02:05:39,490 --> 02:05:36,440
the Australian government and so I'm

2683
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:39,500
like okay but nobody knows what it does

2684
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:42,410
besides a defense which is a very vague

2685
02:05:49,150 --> 02:05:46,970
term so I'm like but you know we do know

2686
02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:49,160
that there's it's secret and there's all

2687
02:05:51,940 --> 02:05:50,480
kinds of stuff of the space program ago

2688
02:05:53,770 --> 02:05:51,950
but that doesn't really tell me anything

2689
02:05:57,340 --> 02:05:53,780
so I was like okay let me keep digging

2690
02:06:01,930 --> 02:05:57,350
keep digging and I'm basically just

2691
02:06:04,360 --> 02:06:01,940
watching all these different UFO

2692
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:04,370
seminars and just all kinds of stuff

2693
02:06:08,740 --> 02:06:06,770
from area and it's super late at night I

2694
02:06:13,180 --> 02:06:08,750
mean it's probably 3:30 4:00 a.m. I'm

2695
02:06:15,100 --> 02:06:13,190
half asleep and I had YouTube on and

2696
02:06:16,510 --> 02:06:15,110
YouTube just once one program and it

2697
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:16,520
just picks another one to start running

2698
02:06:26,020 --> 02:06:20,210
right and end up running this it was a

2699
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:26,030
public lecture by Steven Greer and in

2700
02:06:30,730 --> 02:06:28,070
the middle of it I sit up and I was like

2701
02:06:34,780 --> 02:06:30,740
what did I just hear and he starts

2702
02:06:37,060 --> 02:06:34,790
talking about how reportedly and he's

2703
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:37,070
speaking about this like it is fact he

2704
02:06:41,590 --> 02:06:39,110
knows it he's spoken to the physicist

2705
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:41,600
who is a part of the program supposedly

2706
02:06:49,180 --> 02:06:45,050
they're making little graves that are

2707
02:06:51,400 --> 02:06:49,190
androids that are a bio nano technology

2708
02:06:57,040 --> 02:06:51,410
which is tissue on the outside robotic

2709
02:06:58,420 --> 02:06:57,050
on the inside greys in the Pine Gap to

2710
02:07:01,030 --> 02:06:58,430
the degree that these things are coming

2711
02:07:02,350 --> 02:07:01,040
off or conveyor I think he says yeah

2712
02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:02,360
does it come out conveyor belts like

2713
02:07:09,280 --> 02:07:06,290
sausages right right right and I am like

2714
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:09,290
what so then I start working backwards

2715
02:07:15,010 --> 02:07:12,800
and I'm like okay that was a thing that

2716
02:07:16,900 --> 02:07:15,020
started like connecting things I'm like

2717
02:07:21,100 --> 02:07:16,910
alright so if there is

2718
02:07:26,020 --> 02:07:21,110
is going to be a false flag fake alien

2719
02:07:29,200 --> 02:07:26,030
invasion to gain worldwide support to

2720
02:07:30,280 --> 02:07:29,210
fight you know and to go to wars in

2721
02:07:31,930 --> 02:07:30,290
other species which by the way

2722
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:31,940
presidents have been talking about since

2723
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:36,320
Reagan and afterwards then you would

2724
02:07:41,860 --> 02:07:39,650
have to do more than cast some images in

2725
02:07:45,220 --> 02:07:41,870
the sky right like people would have to

2726
02:07:45,790 --> 02:07:45,230
see these creatures so then I started

2727
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:45,800
going

2728
02:07:53,190 --> 02:07:49,360
okay well pine gaps is an earshot away

2729
02:07:55,930 --> 02:07:53,200
from this island in the middle of Sydney

2730
02:07:58,690 --> 02:07:55,940
you know it would make total sense that

2731
02:08:00,370 --> 02:07:58,700
before you went this route you would you

2732
02:08:01,900 --> 02:08:00,380
would want to know how people react to

2733
02:08:04,450 --> 02:08:01,910
these things and how these things react

2734
02:08:08,290 --> 02:08:04,460
to people and then I started going oh my

2735
02:08:11,140 --> 02:08:08,300
god were they in fact were they in fact

2736
02:08:13,900 --> 02:08:11,150
documenting Craig and his team

2737
02:08:17,170 --> 02:08:13,910
interacting with this thing that they

2738
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:17,180
put out there because that would make

2739
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:17,690
sense

2740
02:08:21,610 --> 02:08:19,490
in that there's competition here in the

2741
02:08:22,900 --> 02:08:21,620
sense that that will explain the two

2742
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:22,910
years thing they were willing to let

2743
02:08:28,750 --> 02:08:26,170
them go forever right until I showed up

2744
02:08:30,850 --> 02:08:28,760
you know and started filming stuff and

2745
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:30,860
and they're showing footage and all this

2746
02:08:34,420 --> 02:08:32,930
stuff and they show down it would make

2747
02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:34,430
sense that they were like trying to

2748
02:08:39,540 --> 02:08:36,560
offer them all the money in the world

2749
02:08:43,060 --> 02:08:39,550
and buy all their stuff and do all this

2750
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:43,070
you know right away to ensure that they

2751
02:08:48,940 --> 02:08:46,610
went there it also gave them a very

2752
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:48,950
plausible story if they were went public

2753
02:08:52,270 --> 02:08:50,810
with it just to make fun of them and all

2754
02:08:55,150 --> 02:08:52,280
their ghost hunters what do they know

2755
02:08:56,530 --> 02:08:55,160
they're crazy you know but but this

2756
02:08:59,440 --> 02:08:56,540
would give them a real opportunity to

2757
02:09:02,800 --> 02:08:59,450
see how this thing interacts with people

2758
02:09:06,250 --> 02:09:02,810
and I was just like no freaking way man

2759
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:06,260
and so you know I initially went back to

2760
02:09:10,240 --> 02:09:08,330
the footage and I was like let me go

2761
02:09:13,090 --> 02:09:10,250
back to this er no face but just go

2762
02:09:16,900 --> 02:09:13,100
frame by frame by frame I'm actually

2763
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:16,910
compared it to the footage that was

2764
02:09:24,430 --> 02:09:18,890
captured

2765
02:09:27,010 --> 02:09:24,440
footage right which which is astonishing

2766
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:27,020
footage of this UFO which pretty much

2767
02:09:31,730 --> 02:09:29,610
seed graze at the wheel

2768
02:09:33,380 --> 02:09:31,740
and so I captured one of the frames the

2769
02:09:36,230 --> 02:09:33,390
best frame that you can clearly see that

2770
02:09:39,110 --> 02:09:36,240
and I start going to frame by frame in

2771
02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:39,120
the cirno face footage and you get a

2772
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:41,010
couple frames past the frame we usually

2773
02:09:45,770 --> 02:09:43,530
stopped on because it looked like a face

2774
02:09:49,930 --> 02:09:45,780
you know looking towards the camera and

2775
02:09:53,570 --> 02:09:49,940
then you go a couple frames deeper and

2776
02:09:55,880 --> 02:09:53,580
it looks like a gray I mean it is like

2777
02:09:58,850 --> 02:09:55,890
oh my god it's just one of those like

2778
02:09:59,840 --> 02:09:58,860
20/20 things in hindsight you sight and

2779
02:10:02,300 --> 02:09:59,850
go how did I miss this

2780
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:02,310
well you missed it because you weren't

2781
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:05,520
looking like and you know sometimes the

2782
02:10:10,430 --> 02:10:07,920
best place to hide things is you know

2783
02:10:13,670 --> 02:10:10,440
how in the open you know like right

2784
02:10:15,770 --> 02:10:13,680
there and it's just astonishing to me

2785
02:10:20,120 --> 02:10:15,780
because we when I started thinking about

2786
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:20,130
this we know that all governments that

2787
02:10:24,830 --> 02:10:22,650
are able have been doing false flags

2788
02:10:27,980 --> 02:10:24,840
forever whether it was selling you know

2789
02:10:30,050 --> 02:10:27,990
W WMDs in Iraq or don't exist to get the

2790
02:10:31,460 --> 02:10:30,060
public support to go to war we're

2791
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:31,470
talking with the same type of thing here

2792
02:10:36,770 --> 02:10:34,530
you know if there's going to be a really

2793
02:10:40,280 --> 02:10:36,780
an alien invasion then they're gonna

2794
02:10:43,150 --> 02:10:40,290
sell a fake one to get the world support

2795
02:10:48,620 --> 02:10:43,160
to go to war well I'm going to say they

2796
02:10:52,880 --> 02:10:48,630
what David Skyfall lays out they being

2797
02:10:55,130 --> 02:10:52,890
the industrial military complex the oil

2798
02:10:57,050 --> 02:10:55,140
reserve companies I mean the true power

2799
02:10:58,370 --> 02:10:57,060
in the world that presidents have been

2800
02:11:01,220 --> 02:10:58,380
warning about the industrial military

2801
02:11:03,200 --> 02:11:01,230
complex I mean who was it Eisenhower

2802
02:11:03,740 --> 02:11:03,210
Truman or someone eise's that came out

2803
02:11:05,990 --> 02:11:03,750
and said it

2804
02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:06,000
yes Eisenhower in his famous speech and

2805
02:11:10,070 --> 02:11:08,730
yeah I have you right on said it'd be

2806
02:11:15,140 --> 02:11:10,080
where the industrial military complex

2807
02:11:17,600 --> 02:11:15,150
yep I brought up years ago when we're

2808
02:11:20,420 --> 02:11:17,610
talking about Blue Beam and holographic

2809
02:11:23,660 --> 02:11:20,430
images and giant spacecraft and the

2810
02:11:26,180 --> 02:11:23,670
Independence Day type of event that that

2811
02:11:28,120 --> 02:11:26,190
is gonna fly for only so long because

2812
02:11:30,920 --> 02:11:28,130
people are gonna start shooting at it

2813
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:30,930
right you know there are countries

2814
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:34,320
around this planet maybe maybe not the

2815
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:35,970
United States and especially if the

2816
02:11:39,380 --> 02:11:37,010
United States is the one that's

2817
02:11:41,970 --> 02:11:39,390
perpetrating this hoax

2818
02:11:44,580 --> 02:11:41,980
there would be countries out there

2819
02:11:47,550 --> 02:11:44,590
shooting missiles right and when the

2820
02:11:49,740 --> 02:11:47,560
missiles start you know flying through

2821
02:11:53,490 --> 02:11:49,750
the holographic image and landing

2822
02:11:54,990 --> 02:11:53,500
somewhere else then the the it's it's

2823
02:11:58,050 --> 02:11:55,000
only gonna last so long

2824
02:12:01,500 --> 02:11:58,060
probably minutes right it's not going to

2825
02:12:03,450 --> 02:12:01,510
be this huge drawn-out situation you

2826
02:12:05,910 --> 02:12:03,460
would have at that point you got to have

2827
02:12:08,550 --> 02:12:05,920
the WMD you actually have to have it

2828
02:12:10,470 --> 02:12:08,560
right you know we've got a having like

2829
02:12:12,060 --> 02:12:10,480
this at some point you got to have the

2830
02:12:13,470 --> 02:12:12,070
alien you got to have the boots on the

2831
02:12:17,070 --> 02:12:13,480
ground you got to have something

2832
02:12:20,370 --> 02:12:17,080
physical and that is something that when

2833
02:12:22,530 --> 02:12:20,380
you brought this up in in to face I just

2834
02:12:24,420 --> 02:12:22,540
sat back and went now we're onto

2835
02:12:27,000 --> 02:12:24,430
something here yep

2836
02:12:31,490 --> 02:12:27,010
now we're getting close very interesting

2837
02:12:36,720 --> 02:12:31,500
concept now next question do you think

2838
02:12:39,930 --> 02:12:36,730
that to face whoever he was do you think

2839
02:12:42,930 --> 02:12:39,940
that he was alone have you analyzed all

2840
02:12:43,410 --> 02:12:42,940
the other footage would well the thing

2841
02:12:45,630 --> 02:12:43,420
is

2842
02:12:47,580 --> 02:12:45,640
Craig has all the other footage and I

2843
02:12:49,290 --> 02:12:47,590
know that he's going back through it

2844
02:12:52,410 --> 02:12:49,300
because a lot of us really opened his

2845
02:12:57,410 --> 02:12:52,420
mind up to and especially now that he is

2846
02:13:00,780 --> 02:12:57,420
having these you know very insane

2847
02:13:02,850 --> 02:13:00,790
experiences that are threatening and she

2848
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:02,860
you know you know you said that

2849
02:13:06,110 --> 02:13:04,330
connection I felt the same way I was

2850
02:13:09,870 --> 02:13:06,120
like now we're getting somewhere

2851
02:13:12,390 --> 02:13:09,880
but it also frightened me more for Craig

2852
02:13:14,670 --> 02:13:12,400
than anybody else because that is

2853
02:13:16,650 --> 02:13:14,680
something that I could see look if the

2854
02:13:21,390 --> 02:13:16,660
word got out that this was going down

2855
02:13:23,610 --> 02:13:21,400
and that our government or governments

2856
02:13:26,970 --> 02:13:23,620
we're going to start placing bio nano

2857
02:13:30,690 --> 02:13:26,980
creatures in the world to set up what

2858
02:13:33,030 --> 02:13:30,700
would be like like that's news were

2859
02:13:34,260 --> 02:13:33,040
threatening someone and taking Pete

2860
02:13:37,770 --> 02:13:34,270
someone out over you know anything like

2861
02:13:41,490 --> 02:13:37,780
that if that's real that's a serious

2862
02:13:44,930 --> 02:13:41,500
serious information and that's when I

2863
02:13:47,940 --> 02:13:44,940
started getting really nervous about

2864
02:13:49,230 --> 02:13:47,950
what's been going on specifically for

2865
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:49,240
him that's when I got in to rush to put

2866
02:13:52,270 --> 02:13:51,250
this out but I do know that obviously

2867
02:13:54,190 --> 02:13:52,280
this has shook Craig

2868
02:13:56,830 --> 02:13:54,200
in a big way which I want to urge

2869
02:14:00,880 --> 02:13:56,840
everybody definitely feel free to reach

2870
02:14:04,210 --> 02:14:00,890
out to him on Instagram and on Facebook

2871
02:14:09,100 --> 02:14:04,220
it's wspr Craig on Instagram on Facebook

2872
02:14:11,070 --> 02:14:09,110
just search Craig Powell P o wel pwll

2873
02:14:13,420 --> 02:14:11,080
and you know he's there and he's very

2874
02:14:16,330 --> 02:14:13,430
opened answer questions and I really

2875
02:14:18,970 --> 02:14:16,340
urge that people reach out to him to

2876
02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:18,980
hear his voice on this as well but he's

2877
02:14:22,840 --> 02:14:21,170
definitely going over footage and

2878
02:14:25,980 --> 02:14:22,850
looking at mean this thing has

2879
02:14:29,710 --> 02:14:25,990
definitely taken ahold of their life and

2880
02:14:31,780 --> 02:14:29,720
it's just the most fat memes and like I

2881
02:14:33,790 --> 02:14:31,790
said in 25 years of doing this man

2882
02:14:35,770 --> 02:14:33,800
there is not a single case that I've

2883
02:14:39,580 --> 02:14:35,780
come across that is this fascinating and

2884
02:14:41,950 --> 02:14:39,590
has so many like I keep expecting to

2885
02:14:45,570 --> 02:14:41,960
find something to just disprove all this

2886
02:14:49,030 --> 02:14:45,580
stuff and I'm just not finding it Jimmy

2887
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:49,040
it's just the opposite it's finding more

2888
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:51,290
and more things that give his legs and

2889
02:14:58,210 --> 02:14:55,130
give it a reality to it that just blows

2890
02:15:03,850 --> 02:14:58,220
my mind my mind I can only imagine how

2891
02:15:05,980 --> 02:15:03,860
many cameras with footage in it that has

2892
02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:05,990
Bowman hue but it's hours and hours and

2893
02:15:10,360 --> 02:15:07,730
hours and hours and hours where you have

2894
02:15:14,050 --> 02:15:10,370
to sit and painstakingly - your eyes are

2895
02:15:17,110 --> 02:15:14,060
red look at all of this and just like

2896
02:15:18,790 --> 02:15:17,120
sir no face to face was missed the first

2897
02:15:24,340 --> 02:15:18,800
time around right and you go back and

2898
02:15:27,580 --> 02:15:24,350
catch it and if there is a second piece

2899
02:15:30,220 --> 02:15:27,590
or a third in here it's gonna it's

2900
02:15:33,160 --> 02:15:30,230
really gonna cause some alarm out

2901
02:15:36,340 --> 02:15:33,170
big-time big-time and and again I think

2902
02:15:38,710 --> 02:15:36,350
you know think we talked with us a lot

2903
02:15:40,030 --> 02:15:38,720
you know I said Craig I said you know as

2904
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:40,040
well as I do that when it comes to

2905
02:15:43,870 --> 02:15:41,050
reviewing footage

2906
02:15:47,050 --> 02:15:43,880
nobody is completely militant about it I

2907
02:15:50,230 --> 02:15:47,060
mean I go Craig you could've yawned if

2908
02:15:51,670 --> 02:15:50,240
you woulda yawned at the time that no

2909
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:51,680
face peeps are on the coroner you'd have

2910
02:15:55,120 --> 02:15:53,690
missed it that's right you know I mean

2911
02:15:57,700 --> 02:15:55,130
you could have got a drink of water and

2912
02:15:59,820 --> 02:15:57,710
you two missed it you know so I write

2913
02:16:02,650 --> 02:15:59,830
you write how much stuff is on there

2914
02:16:04,930 --> 02:16:02,660
because if the the one thing about all

2915
02:16:07,870 --> 02:16:04,940
the evidence clips there ain't no answer

2916
02:16:11,230 --> 02:16:07,880
no face and are all over the place and

2917
02:16:13,870 --> 02:16:11,240
in two-face is it is just astonishing

2918
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:13,880
footage like when you want to talk about

2919
02:16:17,080 --> 02:16:15,530
reactions and the lights are going off

2920
02:16:19,570 --> 02:16:17,090
and you can hear the people in the room

2921
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:19,580
and their voices and their expressions

2922
02:16:25,630 --> 02:16:22,570
and just I mean people are freaking out

2923
02:16:28,060 --> 02:16:25,640
you know and and the clear thing about

2924
02:16:30,370 --> 02:16:28,070
and this would keep going back to every

2925
02:16:32,020 --> 02:16:30,380
time I think something's too insane and

2926
02:16:36,400 --> 02:16:32,030
like that's there's no way that's crazy

2927
02:16:38,140 --> 02:16:36,410
I go back to the fact that Stern whole

2928
02:16:40,980 --> 02:16:38,150
face isn't crazy that's on film like I

2929
02:16:45,370 --> 02:16:40,990
know that's real I know that is not

2930
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:45,380
Craig is a child it is not a human being

2931
02:16:51,580 --> 02:16:49,040
I know that is real so nothing is more

2932
02:16:53,650 --> 02:16:51,590
crazy than that you know house or

2933
02:16:55,030 --> 02:16:53,660
anything else that I come across I'm I

2934
02:16:56,980 --> 02:16:55,040
mean that's the one thing that I'm

2935
02:17:01,960 --> 02:16:56,990
really kind of learning in this you f

2936
02:17:05,140 --> 02:17:01,970
ology side is man I mean every time you

2937
02:17:07,540 --> 02:17:05,150
think something is too far out there you

2938
02:17:08,500 --> 02:17:07,550
start seeing you know I was just

2939
02:17:11,590 --> 02:17:08,510
watching a thing the other night just

2940
02:17:13,660 --> 02:17:11,600
I'm fascinated about the rings of Saturn

2941
02:17:15,340 --> 02:17:13,670
some spaceship that's making Saturn's

2942
02:17:17,800 --> 02:17:15,350
rings or something it was a craziest

2943
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:17,810
thing I've ever heard and then I was

2944
02:17:20,830 --> 02:17:19,130
just like whoa but then I start seeing

2945
02:17:27,520 --> 02:17:20,840
these photos I'm just going to what am I

2946
02:17:30,310 --> 02:17:27,530
looking at right there's a there's

2947
02:17:32,980 --> 02:17:30,320
another element to this though is you

2948
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:32,990
know this show a little bit different

2949
02:17:38,770 --> 02:17:36,890
from coasts in that Coast you know it's

2950
02:17:40,840 --> 02:17:38,780
not six hundred some you know plus

2951
02:17:43,990 --> 02:17:40,850
stations here in the United States but

2952
02:17:45,190 --> 02:17:44,000
that's at the United States phenomenon

2953
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:45,200
coast-to-coast

2954
02:17:52,750 --> 02:17:48,170
fade to black is worldwide and our

2955
02:17:56,290 --> 02:17:52,760
audiences in in Canada in the UK and and

2956
02:17:59,980 --> 02:17:56,300
over across Europe is is huge but our

2957
02:18:02,080 --> 02:17:59,990
audience in Australia is ginormous we

2958
02:18:04,900 --> 02:18:02,090
have a huge Australian audience and

2959
02:18:08,320 --> 02:18:04,910
they're listening right now and their

2960
02:18:11,350 --> 02:18:08,330
reaction to what we are saying okay you

2961
02:18:13,900 --> 02:18:11,360
know okay alright but they they have to

2962
02:18:17,180 --> 02:18:13,910
deal with the issues of Pine Gap just

2963
02:18:19,520 --> 02:18:17,190
like we deal with the issues of area 51

2964
02:18:21,590 --> 02:18:19,530
and right you know Pine Gap is right

2965
02:18:24,260 --> 02:18:21,600
there it's very public it's well it's

2966
02:18:27,320 --> 02:18:24,270
not accessible you know Australia first

2967
02:18:28,970 --> 02:18:27,330
off is ginormous and right in the in the

2968
02:18:30,950 --> 02:18:28,980
middle of the country seemingly in the

2969
02:18:34,250 --> 02:18:30,960
middle of nowhere is Pine Gap and it's

2970
02:18:37,160 --> 02:18:34,260
not easy to get to and and it's isolated

2971
02:18:39,410 --> 02:18:37,170
but the mystery of Pine Gap is something

2972
02:18:42,350 --> 02:18:39,420
that like I said they deal with on a

2973
02:18:45,800 --> 02:18:42,360
daily basis and then this aspect comes

2974
02:18:48,169 --> 02:18:45,810
in we've got this amazing footage of of

2975
02:18:50,450 --> 02:18:48,179
to face or cirno face Cockatoo Island

2976
02:18:53,540 --> 02:18:50,460
right there this is in their backyard

2977
02:18:55,430 --> 02:18:53,550
and suggesting all of this is something

2978
02:18:57,160 --> 02:18:55,440
that the Australian audience is gonna go

2979
02:18:59,450 --> 02:18:57,170
back they're gonna listen to this and

2980
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:59,460
they're gonna be talking about it it's

2981
02:19:03,380 --> 02:19:01,679
now out in the public in Australia

2982
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:03,390
because of this show and what you are

2983
02:19:08,209 --> 02:19:05,850
talking about one that spectacular and

2984
02:19:09,980 --> 02:19:08,219
that was my goal and in getting this out

2985
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:09,990
as fast as possible and to the

2986
02:19:15,860 --> 02:19:12,810
Australian audience that's listening as

2987
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:15,870
Jimmy said the link is on your your web

2988
02:19:20,959 --> 02:19:18,450
page it's on Vimeo on demand if you

2989
02:19:22,730 --> 02:19:20,969
haven't seen it s-sir know face you

2990
02:19:25,340 --> 02:19:22,740
could also watch that on Vimeo on demand

2991
02:19:27,950 --> 02:19:25,350
it's just vimeo.com forward slash on

2992
02:19:31,190 --> 02:19:27,960
demand forward slash sore know face the

2993
02:19:35,480 --> 02:19:31,200
Australian audience please watch this

2994
02:19:38,840 --> 02:19:35,490
and weigh in definitely weigh in because

2995
02:19:41,419 --> 02:19:38,850
I know as much research as I've done as

2996
02:19:43,240 --> 02:19:41,429
much research as Craig has done I'm just

2997
02:19:46,190 --> 02:19:43,250
a firm believer in crowdsourcing

2998
02:19:48,290 --> 02:19:46,200
information and sharing it and getting

2999
02:19:50,180 --> 02:19:48,300
to the bottom of this there's a lot we

3000
02:19:53,390 --> 02:19:50,190
have figured out there's even more that

3001
02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:53,400
we don't and we definitely you know this

3002
02:20:00,020 --> 02:19:56,450
is an ongoing investigation you know so

3003
02:20:02,120 --> 02:20:00,030
I'm fascinated by all of it I do have a

3004
02:20:05,240 --> 02:20:02,130
real concern for for Craig and his

3005
02:20:06,620 --> 02:20:05,250
family and I'm gonna speak to their

3006
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:06,630
bravery I mean even the other night of

3007
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:08,010
it last time I spoke to them I was just

3008
02:20:15,381 --> 02:20:11,610
like guys we can like if we can stop

3009
02:20:17,301 --> 02:20:15,391
this like if you guys are really you

3010
02:20:19,700 --> 02:20:17,311
know that terrified that you know

3011
02:20:23,180 --> 02:20:19,710
someone can you know some real bad stuff

3012
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:23,190
can happen then we you know you let me

3013
02:20:28,461 --> 02:20:25,200
know you know and

3014
02:20:30,591 --> 02:20:28,471
Craig and Nicki I mean their stance is

3015
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:30,601
just that of course every bone in your

3016
02:20:34,701 --> 02:20:32,160
body just wants to walk away from

3017
02:20:37,850 --> 02:20:34,711
potential harm but at the same time it's

3018
02:20:40,011 --> 02:20:37,860
like is it once the toothpaste is out

3019
02:20:43,730 --> 02:20:40,021
you can't put it back in you know what I

3020
02:20:46,310 --> 02:20:43,740
mean it doesn't go away it's out so it's

3021
02:20:49,251 --> 02:20:46,320
never going to go away so the commitment

3022
02:20:50,930 --> 02:20:49,261
needs to be just truth just to find out

3023
02:20:52,690 --> 02:20:50,940
what is going on and there's too many

3024
02:20:56,031 --> 02:20:52,700
weird things that are happening that

3025
02:20:58,400 --> 02:20:56,041
coincide with with this story and the

3026
02:21:00,171 --> 02:20:58,410
story of Skyfall be brought to you on

3027
02:21:02,661 --> 02:21:00,181
muscular that was the first thing I

3028
02:21:04,551 --> 02:21:02,671
thought when I saw that his man this is

3029
02:21:07,611 --> 02:21:04,561
exactly what Skyfall was talking about

3030
02:21:12,051 --> 02:21:07,621
are you still being followed here in Los

3031
02:21:16,881 --> 02:21:12,061
Angeles well see that stopped the second

3032
02:21:19,611 --> 02:21:16,891
I'm fed on the phone the next time drive

3033
02:21:22,581 --> 02:21:19,621
them to the police station then hop out

3034
02:21:26,150 --> 02:21:22,591
but but what's funny is the following

3035
02:21:28,491 --> 02:21:26,160
day after he said that is when the phone

3036
02:21:32,930 --> 02:21:28,501
stuff started happening and that's still

3037
02:21:34,761 --> 02:21:32,940
going on we're gonna do a little bit of

3038
02:21:37,301 --> 02:21:34,771
overtime and when we come back we're

3039
02:21:39,381 --> 02:21:37,311
gonna talk about the phone stuff

3040
02:21:43,751 --> 02:21:39,391
specifically so what we'll deal with

3041
02:21:46,730 --> 02:21:43,761
that in a second but when it comes to

3042
02:21:48,411 --> 02:21:46,740
the this one for me it's the most

3043
02:21:50,810 --> 02:21:48,421
fascinating part about all of this you

3044
02:21:52,881 --> 02:21:50,820
know when you're doing ghost hunting and

3045
02:21:54,711 --> 02:21:52,891
you do in paranormal stuff and you're

3046
02:21:56,331 --> 02:21:54,721
out there American ghost hunters and

3047
02:21:59,720 --> 02:21:56,341
paranormal State you know you're out

3048
02:22:01,850 --> 02:21:59,730
there doing all that so you're not your

3049
02:22:03,801 --> 02:22:01,860
phones aren't tapped your cars aren't

3050
02:22:07,281 --> 02:22:03,811
being followed your computers aren't

3051
02:22:09,951 --> 02:22:07,291
miss you know goofing up none of that

3052
02:22:13,220 --> 02:22:09,961
stuff happens but is the second you dip

3053
02:22:16,281 --> 02:22:13,230
your toe into the UFO world craziness

3054
02:22:19,761 --> 02:22:16,291
starts and it makes you wonder why is it

3055
02:22:21,951 --> 02:22:19,771
if if UFOs don't exist right if none of

3056
02:22:23,991 --> 02:22:21,961
this is real then why are you so

3057
02:22:25,730 --> 02:22:24,001
concerned about it why is this craziness

3058
02:22:27,890 --> 02:22:25,740
going down in my life it doesn't make

3059
02:22:31,131 --> 02:22:27,900
sense it's like an it's like a real time

3060
02:22:33,230 --> 02:22:31,141
paradox right well the thing I used to

3061
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:33,240
say I've been really fortunate on the

3062
02:22:37,130 --> 02:22:35,130
UFO side to have

3063
02:22:38,600 --> 02:22:37,140
a great audience that's brought me

3064
02:22:40,760 --> 02:22:38,610
around the world speak at universities

3065
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:40,770
all kinds of stuff nice to always say to

3066
02:22:44,030 --> 02:22:42,570
people first question be like aren't you

3067
02:22:46,490 --> 02:22:44,040
scary when you go into a haunted house

3068
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:46,500
and or on location my answer is always

3069
02:22:50,810 --> 02:22:48,210
the same I'm not scared of the dead I'm

3070
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:50,820
scared of the living I mean like if you

3071
02:22:57,139 --> 02:22:53,280
know the the dead ain't gonna hurt me

3072
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:57,149
man you know that but the living people

3073
02:23:00,230 --> 02:22:58,800
are weird and they have crazy abilities

3074
02:23:02,330 --> 02:23:00,240
and you know one thing that's

3075
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:02,340
demonstrated very well and to face the

3076
02:23:08,780 --> 02:23:05,520
gray is man human beings and mankind

3077
02:23:12,200 --> 02:23:08,790
were monsters and we are monsters to our

3078
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:12,210
planet to each other I mean it's it's

3079
02:23:15,530 --> 02:23:14,010
crazy well that's where you that

3080
02:23:20,090 --> 02:23:15,540
capacity that's where you and I part

3081
02:23:22,010 --> 02:23:20,100
ways I can go out I have no issues UFO

3082
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:22,020
lands hey Jimmy you want to go for a

3083
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:26,160
ride I'm on the ship and I have no

3084
02:23:29,420 --> 02:23:27,840
issues with men in black you know what I

3085
02:23:30,469 --> 02:23:29,430
got issues with I got issues with

3086
02:23:34,700 --> 02:23:30,479
Waverly

3087
02:23:37,639 --> 02:23:34,710
I got alta loma' hospital you think I'm

3088
02:23:39,679 --> 02:23:37,649
going in there after dark in the

3089
02:23:44,719 --> 02:23:39,689
complete blackness walking down one of

3090
02:23:46,790 --> 02:23:44,729
those hallways yeah I think I just grew

3091
02:23:52,429 --> 02:23:46,800
up with it it's just my rollercoaster

3092
02:23:56,950 --> 02:23:52,439
you know like ya know I'm not spending

3093
02:24:04,250 --> 02:24:01,639
serious do very very very serious here

3094
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:04,260
there is something about you I mean you

3095
02:24:11,300 --> 02:24:06,810
walk up to Waverly and you just look at

3096
02:24:14,120 --> 02:24:11,310
it from the outside and my very soul is

3097
02:24:16,460 --> 02:24:14,130
saying you're not going in there you

3098
02:24:18,679 --> 02:24:16,470
know I'll send all of you in and you

3099
02:24:21,380 --> 02:24:18,689
guys tell me about it later but I'm not

3100
02:24:23,660 --> 02:24:21,390
gonna allow I'm not going in no no I am

3101
02:24:25,969 --> 02:24:23,670
not mad I am yeah I did that stuff

3102
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:25,979
startling but I guess it's not real fear

3103
02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:29,130
to me I think I definitely you know get

3104
02:24:34,550 --> 02:24:31,770
jumpy you like anybody else but I just

3105
02:24:36,170 --> 02:24:34,560
don't have real fear when when I look in

3106
02:24:38,810 --> 02:24:36,180
my rearview mirror in the same cars

3107
02:24:41,719 --> 02:24:38,820
where everywhere I go for a week I don't

3108
02:24:44,780 --> 02:24:41,729
know who it is when my email is clearly

3109
02:24:46,900 --> 02:24:44,790
getting act when my phone calls are

3110
02:24:50,170 --> 02:24:46,910
clearly being monitored

3111
02:24:52,570 --> 02:24:50,180
that's when I start getting scared as I

3112
02:24:56,889 --> 02:24:52,580
start getting freaked out and man you're

3113
02:24:58,630 --> 02:24:56,899
right it never happened ever until we

3114
02:25:00,580 --> 02:24:58,640
started going down this road man I

3115
02:25:03,310 --> 02:25:00,590
remember we're gonna head towards a

3116
02:25:05,530 --> 02:25:03,320
break but back when and my chair keeps

3117
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:05,540
lowering and everybody's watching me on

3118
02:25:11,560 --> 02:25:08,240
camera raised my chair I got to do it

3119
02:25:14,770 --> 02:25:11,570
again man it just constantly keeps as

3120
02:25:20,290 --> 02:25:14,780
frustrating anyway years ago let's go

3121
02:25:26,350 --> 02:25:20,300
back to 2008 and all of the paranormal

3122
02:25:29,679 --> 02:25:26,360
shows are on cable and I'm falling

3123
02:25:31,420 --> 02:25:29,689
asleep on my couch to one of these shows

3124
02:25:34,960 --> 02:25:31,430
it doesn't matter and it's you know some

3125
02:25:37,810 --> 02:25:34,970
marathon and I swear I had the craziest

3126
02:25:40,179 --> 02:25:37,820
nightmare dreams man I'm being chased by

3127
02:25:42,310 --> 02:25:40,189
ghosts and and wolves I'm getting

3128
02:25:45,460 --> 02:25:42,320
scratched I'm climbing trees I'm

3129
02:25:47,410 --> 02:25:45,470
freaking out I'm waking up I'm sweating

3130
02:25:49,000 --> 02:25:47,420
and I'm like man I got to go back to

3131
02:25:50,350 --> 02:25:49,010
sleep and get back into this nightmare

3132
02:25:53,230 --> 02:25:50,360
this is awesome

3133
02:25:55,830 --> 02:25:53,240
and and I'm into it right but you

3134
02:25:58,210 --> 02:25:55,840
realize UFO shows don't do that to me

3135
02:26:00,610 --> 02:25:58,220
they don't really they know that

3136
02:26:04,780 --> 02:26:00,620
paranormal you know it's weird I'm not

3137
02:26:09,550 --> 02:26:04,790
necessarily afraid of the aliens or the

3138
02:26:12,100 --> 02:26:09,560
UFOs it's it's it's the the fact that

3139
02:26:13,630 --> 02:26:12,110
Greer's two partners got cancer and he

3140
02:26:16,300 --> 02:26:13,640
simultaneously did they're gone now

3141
02:26:18,340 --> 02:26:16,310
right it's the fact of this UFO this

3142
02:26:20,650 --> 02:26:18,350
young UFO guy you probably know his name

3143
02:26:22,540 --> 02:26:20,660
I was reading about he had some news and

3144
02:26:23,950 --> 02:26:22,550
they find him dead with black fluid

3145
02:26:26,550 --> 02:26:23,960
coming out of it yeah yeah that's a

3146
02:26:28,420 --> 02:26:26,560
famous case you know dr. Marla Turner

3147
02:26:30,880 --> 02:26:28,430
you know yeah

3148
02:26:33,670 --> 02:26:30,890
like that is that that's the stuff that

3149
02:26:35,620 --> 02:26:33,680
scares me something tells me that if the

3150
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:35,630
aliens can get here and they have that

3151
02:26:38,740 --> 02:26:37,130
kind of technology some of telogen if

3152
02:26:40,719 --> 02:26:38,750
they had some kind of broad awakening

3153
02:26:43,270 --> 02:26:40,729
right and they're they're probably not

3154
02:26:45,400 --> 02:26:43,280
the thing to fear the thing that here is

3155
02:26:49,420 --> 02:26:45,410
probably you know the animals on this

3156
02:26:53,710 --> 02:26:49,430
planet that level off 2,000 nukes that's

3157
02:26:57,300 --> 02:26:53,720
probably the thing to fear and so that

3158
02:27:00,011 --> 02:26:57,310
that's more my concern is you know the

3159
02:27:02,110 --> 02:27:00,021
power was whether the absolute power

3160
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:02,120
perhaps absolutely is true yes it is

3161
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:05,120
inherent it's very true right well that

3162
02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:08,570
that's what I I fear a few years ago

3163
02:27:14,350 --> 02:27:11,650
Reid and I we get home were in bed and

3164
02:27:17,530 --> 02:27:14,360
we turn on the TV we've got some food

3165
02:27:20,020 --> 02:27:17,540
and stuff and at the foot of our bed at

3166
02:27:22,930 --> 02:27:20,030
the other end of the room is as a master

3167
02:27:25,060 --> 02:27:22,940
bathroom and in that master bath area

3168
02:27:27,430 --> 02:27:25,070
there's a walk-in closet to the right

3169
02:27:31,241 --> 02:27:27,440
then there's the the sinks and stuff and

3170
02:27:33,251 --> 02:27:31,251
but there's a separate room with a door

3171
02:27:34,360 --> 02:27:33,261
that's got the toilet in it I don't know

3172
02:27:35,921 --> 02:27:34,370
what you call it but it's like a

3173
02:27:38,951 --> 02:27:35,931
bathroom inside of a bathroom and

3174
02:27:41,020 --> 02:27:38,961
there's a door yeah and but in there and

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we keep that door shut

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for a couple of reasons but because we

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keep the window on the outside of it

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open so we keep the door closed anyway

3179
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but this the toilet seat in there is

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like sticky it doesn't move right so in

3181
02:28:01,780 --> 02:27:59,690
other words if you open lift the lid or

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close the lid you have to do it yourself

3183
02:28:07,570 --> 02:28:04,040
if you did it half way and let it go the

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lid would you know be half way right you

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have to right you know what I mean it's

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really really sticky it's tight so

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anyway so the lid on that toilet stays

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open it's not like other homes where or

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other bathrooms in our house all the

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lids are closed but in that one the

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thing is sticky so it just stays open

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right

3193
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so anyway Reid and I are sitting in bed

3194
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and I swear to you Chad that thing goes

3195
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and falls down and read and I knew you

3196
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know and she's looking it she goes so so

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King Church you're gonna go check that

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out I don't want to go in there open up

3199
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that door and see that lid down I'm not

3200
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no I'm not man and you know I have some

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places I could take you that would blow

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your mind man man man well you know what

3203
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it'll be blown from the outside I'm not

3204
02:29:10,810 --> 02:29:09,110
gonna go let's take a break right here

3205
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Chad let's come back because when we

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come back after this

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break one of the coolest parts and

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there's some amazing amazing footage and

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stuff that is in to face the documentary

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but for me it was the phone calls and

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those recordings so we will be back

3212
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after this short break we're gonna talk

3213
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about that it's very very compelling

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I'm your host Jimmy Church Chad callek

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is the guest we'll be right back stay

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you can click on chad kalloch in his bio

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the links are there we've also got them

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documentary now is is the the phone

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conversations and we're going to talk

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02:34:51,341 --> 02:34:48,200
about that in just a second I'll say

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this Chad if I'm having a conversation

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02:34:59,711 --> 02:34:55,190
on my cell phone with somebody out there

3318
02:35:02,490 --> 02:34:59,721
and I'm talking about my dog's I can

3319
02:35:05,470 --> 02:35:02,500
talk for three hours nothing happens

3320
02:35:09,850 --> 02:35:05,480
talking with somebody out there and we

3321
02:35:12,430 --> 02:35:09,860
get into UFOs and and strange stuff my

3322
02:35:15,640 --> 02:35:12,440
phone starts acting funny and we laugh

3323
02:35:19,511 --> 02:35:15,650
about it but it happens every single day

3324
02:35:22,091 --> 02:35:19,521
every single day on this on this

3325
02:35:23,650 --> 02:35:22,101
broadcast and by the way a couple of

3326
02:35:26,921 --> 02:35:23,660
times during this broadcast your phone

3327
02:35:28,480 --> 02:35:26,931
got funky at a couple of key moments and

3328
02:35:30,400 --> 02:35:28,490
I found that interesting I didn't want

3329
02:35:32,110 --> 02:35:30,410
to say anything I don't know if you were

3330
02:35:35,740 --> 02:35:32,120
hearing it but but it was out there and

3331
02:35:37,841 --> 02:35:35,750
I know the post and I'm going to get

3332
02:35:40,060 --> 02:35:37,851
email are gonna comment about those

3333
02:35:42,131 --> 02:35:40,070
sections of the broadcast night and

3334
02:35:45,160 --> 02:35:42,141
you're talking to us on a landline

3335
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:45,170
tonight not on the cell phone and and so

3336
02:35:50,591 --> 02:35:47,690
why would that interference occur on a

3337
02:35:54,490 --> 02:35:50,601
landline again interesting so here we

3338
02:35:56,591 --> 02:35:54,500
are and so when people guest and so

3339
02:36:00,310 --> 02:35:56,601
forth talk about their phone

3340
02:36:02,711 --> 02:36:00,320
interference okay it's great I

3341
02:36:04,390 --> 02:36:02,721
understand it but it's another thing

3342
02:36:07,091 --> 02:36:04,400
when you talk about it and you've got

3343
02:36:10,930 --> 02:36:07,101
the calls recorded and that's what you

3344
02:36:13,540 --> 02:36:10,940
did here in in to face the gray you have

3345
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:13,550
the actual phone calls and you present

3346
02:36:21,060 --> 02:36:16,730
them how many of these phone calls like

3347
02:36:24,301 --> 02:36:21,070
this happened oh oh gosh between Thomas

3348
02:36:28,450 --> 02:36:24,311
Justin and my producer and Craig a

3349
02:36:30,100 --> 02:36:28,460
hundred a hundred yeah I mean like and

3350
02:36:31,751 --> 02:36:30,110
the thing is it was exactly what you'd

3351
02:36:35,140 --> 02:36:31,761
say it was when we

3352
02:36:39,041 --> 02:36:35,150
get into some heavy you know thing about

3353
02:36:42,100 --> 02:36:39,051
this case and it weird thing was and you

3354
02:36:44,171 --> 02:36:42,110
see this in Craig's response was I when

3355
02:36:46,411 --> 02:36:44,181
we're talking one of those calls is the

3356
02:36:51,701 --> 02:36:46,421
second we would talk about noticing it

3357
02:36:54,371 --> 02:36:51,711
it would stop and like week now let's

3358
02:36:57,371 --> 02:36:54,381
let I want you to describe what we're

3359
02:36:59,731 --> 02:36:57,381
talking about here you guys are having

3360
02:37:03,041 --> 02:36:59,741
your conversation and and what happens

3361
02:37:04,991 --> 02:37:03,051
yeah I you know Craig called first and

3362
02:37:07,390 --> 02:37:05,001
I've become close with his family and

3363
02:37:08,951 --> 02:37:07,400
his and his two bullies and we first

3364
02:37:10,511 --> 02:37:08,961
started talking about his boys for a

3365
02:37:13,151 --> 02:37:10,521
little bit and everything that's going

3366
02:37:15,220 --> 02:37:13,161
on with his life and then they can do a

3367
02:37:20,051 --> 02:37:15,230
conversation about some just recent

3368
02:37:21,581 --> 02:37:20,061
stuff was Daniel David Skyfall and some

3369
02:37:23,231 --> 02:37:21,591
of this weather modification stuff we're

3370
02:37:25,901 --> 02:37:23,241
talking about this machine so did you

3371
02:37:27,191 --> 02:37:25,911
send me and right as we start doing it

3372
02:37:29,441 --> 02:37:27,201
I'm talking to Craig and I'm just kind

3373
02:37:32,350 --> 02:37:29,451
of yapping off at the mouth and at first

3374
02:37:34,390 --> 02:37:32,360
I don't I it's there but I don't hear it

3375
02:37:36,761 --> 02:37:34,400
cuz I'm on my own thought and Craig's

3376
02:37:39,611 --> 02:37:36,771
like you hear that and you could hear

3377
02:37:42,850 --> 02:37:39,621
this emits a massive beep and this echo

3378
02:37:45,071 --> 02:37:42,860
like echoey beep and it's loud as can be

3379
02:37:47,321 --> 02:37:45,081
I'm like oh my god I do hear that I've

3380
02:37:49,810 --> 02:37:47,331
been using the phone now for you know

3381
02:37:53,081 --> 02:37:49,820
I'm 42 years old man I'm never anything

3382
02:37:54,581 --> 02:37:53,091
like this on a phone and we're like

3383
02:37:56,531 --> 02:37:54,591
listen to it you know we're talking back

3384
02:37:57,701 --> 02:37:56,541
and forth and you could hear it and then

3385
02:37:58,691 --> 02:37:57,711
I'm like oh my god

3386
02:38:00,911 --> 02:37:58,701
make your healing your he's like yeah

3387
02:38:03,941 --> 02:38:00,921
and he was like yeah here right now and

3388
02:38:06,281 --> 02:38:03,951
then it stops and Craig's like it it

3389
02:38:08,231 --> 02:38:06,291
stopped down I'm like it totally did

3390
02:38:09,551 --> 02:38:08,241
stop didn't it and it did this secondly

3391
02:38:11,981 --> 02:38:09,561
started talking about so we started

3392
02:38:14,981 --> 02:38:11,991
testing that later with Melanie Craig

3393
02:38:17,261 --> 02:38:14,991
but Justin and Thomas as well and when

3394
02:38:19,541 --> 02:38:17,271
we would talk about it or getting

3395
02:38:20,890 --> 02:38:19,551
something heavy it would start and we

3396
02:38:22,841 --> 02:38:20,900
would let it go for as long as it would

3397
02:38:24,701 --> 02:38:22,851
go and the second we would start going

3398
02:38:28,541 --> 02:38:24,711
yep they're monitoring us now you could

3399
02:38:30,941 --> 02:38:28,551
hear it it would stop almost every time

3400
02:38:34,901 --> 02:38:30,951
so it's like how can this happen with

3401
02:38:37,361 --> 02:38:34,911
such consistency and have it not be you

3402
02:38:41,051 --> 02:38:37,371
know what I mean what it is you know and

3403
02:38:42,131 --> 02:38:41,061
again you bring up a very good point you

3404
02:38:44,890 --> 02:38:42,141
know like so you could talk about your

3405
02:38:45,430 --> 02:38:44,900
puppies forever and that won't happen it

3406
02:38:47,980 --> 02:38:45,440
never had

3407
02:38:51,041 --> 02:38:47,990
and ever before I got involved in this

3408
02:38:53,801 --> 02:38:51,051
and it goes beyond just the phones like

3409
02:38:55,390 --> 02:38:53,811
I said I have probably had to change I'm

3410
02:38:58,240 --> 02:38:55,400
not even kidding when I say this I

3411
02:39:00,791 --> 02:38:58,250
probably have changed my email password

3412
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:00,801
a dozen times since I started making

3413
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this film before that I've never had to

3414
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change it right I mean like a dozen

3415
02:39:10,780 --> 02:39:07,910
times I just go to sign in and it'd be

3416
02:39:12,850 --> 02:39:10,790
like doesn't accept it what oh my god

3417
02:39:15,341 --> 02:39:12,860
what so I get the whole process again

3418
02:39:18,011 --> 02:39:15,351
and do it I mean it was like an in uni

3419
02:39:19,990 --> 02:39:18,021
and every way that you could you know

3420
02:39:23,350 --> 02:39:20,000
monitor somebody

3421
02:39:24,850 --> 02:39:23,360
it was clearly happening and you know

3422
02:39:26,320 --> 02:39:24,860
you could hear Craig and eyes response I

3423
02:39:29,440 --> 02:39:26,330
mean I said having these phone calls

3424
02:39:30,820 --> 02:39:29,450
recorded and presenting in the film so

3425
02:39:32,051 --> 02:39:30,830
we're not just talking about it some

3426
02:39:35,171 --> 02:39:32,061
people could actually hear what's going

3427
02:39:37,900 --> 02:39:35,181
on yeah it's so cool to hear your

3428
02:39:41,171 --> 02:39:37,910
conversation going on and these beeps

3429
02:39:44,261 --> 02:39:41,181
and how you guys get totally sidetracked

3430
02:39:45,791 --> 02:39:44,271
and derailed listening to these beefs

3431
02:39:49,511 --> 02:39:45,801
and as soon as you start talking about

3432
02:39:54,520 --> 02:39:49,521
it the beep stop it's it's it's

3433
02:39:58,001 --> 02:39:54,530
brilliant man and to have you how do I

3434
02:39:59,740 --> 02:39:58,011
have the vision to record these calls so

3435
02:40:01,990 --> 02:39:59,750
you can actually catch the moment that

3436
02:40:04,990 --> 02:40:02,000
it actually goes down like I said it's

3437
02:40:07,060 --> 02:40:05,000
just a story if somebody talks about

3438
02:40:09,430 --> 02:40:07,070
this and it's great I you know I'm into

3439
02:40:12,280 --> 02:40:09,440
it okay I get it it's a whole nother

3440
02:40:16,030 --> 02:40:12,290
dynamic when you capture it in real time

3441
02:40:17,831 --> 02:40:16,040
and you hear your guys's reaction to it

3442
02:40:19,411 --> 02:40:17,841
and then you hear the beeping stop it's

3443
02:40:22,600 --> 02:40:19,421
a fascinating part of the documentary

3444
02:40:24,190 --> 02:40:22,610
yeah and it's the thing that that one of

3445
02:40:28,350 --> 02:40:24,200
the hardest things about making this

3446
02:40:31,661 --> 02:40:28,360
documentary was that was the committal -

3447
02:40:33,820 --> 02:40:31,671
we just document everything you know

3448
02:40:36,761 --> 02:40:33,830
when the cars falling and you can see me

3449
02:40:41,110 --> 02:40:36,771
wrestling with my phone trying to film

3450
02:40:44,501 --> 02:40:41,120
this car through my you know reverse you

3451
02:40:47,350 --> 02:40:44,511
know a mirror his Owen and trying to

3452
02:40:49,240 --> 02:40:47,360
drive at the same time and doing it and

3453
02:40:53,261 --> 02:40:49,250
the same thing with the font like I

3454
02:40:55,990 --> 02:40:53,271
tried to keep at least one GoPro going

3455
02:40:57,911 --> 02:40:56,000
in my house at all times just because

3456
02:40:58,740 --> 02:40:57,921
you just don't know you don't know when

3457
02:41:01,740 --> 02:40:58,750
or what

3458
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:01,750
is going to happen and you know

3459
02:41:06,060 --> 02:41:03,850
thankfully we were able to capture some

3460
02:41:08,730 --> 02:41:06,070
of this so like I said so that you're

3461
02:41:09,840 --> 02:41:08,740
not just someone telling a story and

3462
02:41:12,150 --> 02:41:09,850
even for everything that we've captured

3463
02:41:14,100 --> 02:41:12,160
that's why it was so important when

3464
02:41:16,170 --> 02:41:14,110
Craig sent me the photo that I showed

3465
02:41:18,090 --> 02:41:16,180
you you know you say someone's outside

3466
02:41:21,630 --> 02:41:18,100
my house with a glowing mask watching my

3467
02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:21,640
house that's one thing you know seeing

3468
02:41:29,880 --> 02:41:23,530
the photos another and now what about

3469
02:41:33,480 --> 02:41:29,890
the raw footage of cirno face of to face

3470
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:33,490
the gray is this out there in the public

3471
02:41:37,980 --> 02:41:35,530
domain are you going to release it where

3472
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:37,990
is the raw footage I mean it could be

3473
02:41:43,470 --> 02:41:40,080
but it's also released in the film

3474
02:41:47,880 --> 02:41:43,480
meaning that like whenever I do replays

3475
02:41:50,130 --> 02:41:47,890
if you look at cirno face whenever like

3476
02:41:52,800 --> 02:41:50,140
will present it like like when you first

3477
02:41:54,780 --> 02:41:52,810
see cirno face like in the sterno face

3478
02:41:56,520 --> 02:41:54,790
documentary there's obviously a sound

3479
02:41:58,650 --> 02:41:56,530
design in color and things like that

3480
02:42:02,340 --> 02:41:58,660
that are going on as a presentation

3481
02:42:04,020 --> 02:42:02,350
piece but to replay that we always do I

3482
02:42:08,100 --> 02:42:04,030
usually do two to three replays is

3483
02:42:11,790 --> 02:42:08,110
always the raw footage just as is out

3484
02:42:13,830 --> 02:42:11,800
the camera so to route and we can

3485
02:42:15,060 --> 02:42:13,840
totally release it separately but it'd

3486
02:42:19,410 --> 02:42:15,070
be the same exact thing that you're

3487
02:42:23,330 --> 02:42:19,420
looking at in the film the there's other

3488
02:42:26,700 --> 02:42:23,340
researchers out there like Mark Dantonio

3489
02:42:30,930 --> 02:42:26,710
who's a really good analyst but there's

3490
02:42:34,290 --> 02:42:30,940
a lot of video guys in new follow G that

3491
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:34,300
that have their credentials would you be

3492
02:42:40,020 --> 02:42:36,730
interested in releasing the raw footage

3493
02:42:41,760 --> 02:42:40,030
to them for their analysis oh yeah I

3494
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:41,770
mean well Craig would have to but I'm

3495
02:42:46,790 --> 02:42:43,930
sure he would be I mean I am if it was

3496
02:42:50,880 --> 02:42:46,800
up to me 100% 100%

3497
02:42:52,770 --> 02:42:50,890
really I mean I'm sure Craig released it

3498
02:42:54,510 --> 02:42:52,780
to me so I don't think he'd have any

3499
02:42:58,380 --> 02:42:54,520
issue releasing it to them whatsoever

3500
02:42:59,940 --> 02:42:58,390
now there's I wanted to go back and and

3501
02:43:02,340 --> 02:42:59,950
discuss something that you brought up

3502
02:43:05,340 --> 02:43:02,350
which is the Roger Leir Turkish films

3503
02:43:06,319 --> 02:43:05,350
and with those with those videos which

3504
02:43:10,519 --> 02:43:06,329
are

3505
02:43:13,580 --> 02:43:10,529
hours days of footage I should say and I

3506
02:43:17,870 --> 02:43:13,590
watched him I just watched him and

3507
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:17,880
watched him now I do believe this is

3508
02:43:24,219 --> 02:43:19,770
this is my take I believe that the

3509
02:43:27,620 --> 02:43:24,229
footage is real that Lyra captured one -

3510
02:43:29,599 --> 02:43:27,630
what it definitely appears to be it

3511
02:43:32,059 --> 02:43:29,609
doesn't look human whatever is in the

3512
02:43:34,429 --> 02:43:32,069
window and there's two or three of them

3513
02:43:37,460 --> 02:43:34,439
I believe but the main one that's up in

3514
02:43:39,139 --> 02:43:37,470
front and when you see him kind of move

3515
02:43:43,849 --> 02:43:39,149
a little bit too as well almost jumped

3516
02:43:47,120 --> 02:43:43,859
out of my skin and and now and when you

3517
02:43:51,710 --> 02:43:47,130
do the analysis of that window shot from

3518
02:43:58,599 --> 02:43:51,720
the leer footage and compare that to to

3519
02:44:03,349 --> 02:43:58,609
face the gray the the the similarity is

3520
02:44:05,779 --> 02:44:03,359
astounding it's like whoa but okay let's

3521
02:44:08,479 --> 02:44:05,789
let's take this let's back up a step

3522
02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:08,489
here if we are suggesting that there's a

3523
02:44:15,319 --> 02:44:11,760
possibility that that two-face could be

3524
02:44:19,330 --> 02:44:15,329
some bioengineered Android right a robot

3525
02:44:21,490 --> 02:44:19,340
on the inside and and something of

3526
02:44:22,700 --> 02:44:21,500
organic nature growing on the outside

3527
02:44:25,969 --> 02:44:22,710
okay

3528
02:44:29,540 --> 02:44:25,979
it would also say and testing you guys

3529
02:44:32,960 --> 02:44:29,550
right testing craig testing the reaction

3530
02:44:37,069 --> 02:44:32,970
it could almost suggest the same thing

3531
02:44:39,889 --> 02:44:37,079
that happened to lear in that they've

3532
02:44:41,979 --> 02:44:39,899
got an alien that is up in this window

3533
02:44:44,750 --> 02:44:41,989
they're shooting it at a distance and

3534
02:44:47,120 --> 02:44:44,760
they're getting the same reaction

3535
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:47,130
they're getting the same footage they're

3536
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:48,810
releasing that out into the public

3537
02:44:55,609 --> 02:44:52,489
domain there is that similarity between

3538
02:44:59,960 --> 02:44:55,619
Lear's footage and and Craig's footage

3539
02:45:04,939 --> 02:44:59,970
that speak of the same thing yeah what

3540
02:45:07,490 --> 02:45:04,949
isn't i if I believe Lear's footage came

3541
02:45:09,590 --> 02:45:07,500
I believe I might be wrong on this so

3542
02:45:13,069 --> 02:45:09,600
I'm not you know the UFO community don't

3543
02:45:16,700 --> 02:45:13,079
kill me but I believe it came almost one

3544
02:45:17,809 --> 02:45:16,710
year to the day right after Hanson Yaman

3545
02:45:19,730 --> 02:45:17,819
filmed it first

3546
02:45:22,310 --> 02:45:19,740
yes there was yeah

3547
02:45:23,930 --> 02:45:22,320
I think his name is Anthony almond he

3548
02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:23,940
was a security guard that filmed at

3549
02:45:30,860 --> 02:45:28,080
first and then Robert Lear went back I

3550
02:45:33,620 --> 02:45:30,870
think it was a year to the day to the

3551
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:33,630
same spot with a better camera and got

3552
02:45:39,500 --> 02:45:36,570
better footage of it and the fact that

3553
02:45:41,270 --> 02:45:39,510
it reoccurs at the same time leads me to

3554
02:45:43,460 --> 02:45:41,280
believe that again it was something sent

3555
02:45:46,090 --> 02:45:43,470
out there you know what I mean like

3556
02:45:49,040 --> 02:45:46,100
someone put it out there for a reason

3557
02:45:52,880 --> 02:45:49,050
because it is shocking an astounding

3558
02:45:55,280 --> 02:45:52,890
footage I might be off on that but I'm

3559
02:45:58,480 --> 02:45:55,290
pretty sure it was either a year later

3560
02:46:00,440 --> 02:45:58,490
or within a day or two of a year later

3561
02:46:03,050 --> 02:46:00,450
did you know that that it was filmed

3562
02:46:05,990 --> 02:46:03,060
first before by the Galman yet yes yes

3563
02:46:08,390 --> 02:46:06,000
totally and and Roger went back to

3564
02:46:10,760 --> 02:46:08,400
Turkey was a year later they got there

3565
02:46:12,920 --> 02:46:10,770
on the coast and they set up the the

3566
02:46:14,870 --> 02:46:12,930
telephoto lenses and started shooting

3567
02:46:17,480 --> 02:46:14,880
out over the ocean and they captured

3568
02:46:20,180 --> 02:46:17,490
again right which whenever things are

3569
02:46:21,650 --> 02:46:20,190
happening at exact times it's kind of

3570
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:21,660
like when Bob Lazar is saying every

3571
02:46:25,850 --> 02:46:23,610
Wednesday they go up and fly you know

3572
02:46:27,440 --> 02:46:25,860
what I mean itself it's like a year

3573
02:46:29,930 --> 02:46:27,450
later at the same time it's back up

3574
02:46:33,320 --> 02:46:29,940
there again and implies to me that that

3575
02:46:36,320 --> 02:46:33,330
it is more than likely something either

3576
02:46:36,590 --> 02:46:36,330
man-made or if it's not it's the real

3577
02:46:40,130 --> 02:46:36,600
thing

3578
02:46:43,480 --> 02:46:40,140
either way it's fascinating that the

3579
02:46:48,560 --> 02:46:43,490
comparison between the two was just mine

3580
02:46:50,900 --> 02:46:48,570
mind-blowing to me and it's just to hold

3581
02:46:52,969 --> 02:46:50,910
the government thing is so weird in this

3582
02:46:56,800 --> 02:46:52,979
case the Australian Government's

3583
02:47:00,440 --> 02:46:56,810
response to us the film is so weird

3584
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:00,450
them reaching out to Crais and doing it

3585
02:47:04,270 --> 02:47:02,490
under lock and key is so weird the

3586
02:47:07,700 --> 02:47:04,280
timing is so weird

3587
02:47:09,560 --> 02:47:07,710
globally what's going on with I've

3588
02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:09,570
always felt that disclosure would be as

3589
02:47:14,630 --> 02:47:13,050
slowly he could not a bomb going off you

3590
02:47:17,360 --> 02:47:14,640
know what I mean that it would be a very

3591
02:47:20,060 --> 02:47:17,370
slow thing that was one of the first

3592
02:47:21,620 --> 02:47:20,070
things I did think when I'm everybody

3593
02:47:24,290 --> 02:47:21,630
you know everyone was like why does Tom

3594
02:47:26,930 --> 02:47:24,300
DeLonge why are all these guys backing

3595
02:47:29,090 --> 02:47:26,940
Tom DeLonge and I and I and my wife and

3596
02:47:30,770 --> 02:47:29,100
I were talking about it and I said well

3597
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:30,780
if someone was going to tell you that

3598
02:47:33,870 --> 02:47:32,650
aliens are real

3599
02:47:36,900 --> 02:47:33,880
they're visiting us or they're coming

3600
02:47:39,210 --> 02:47:36,910
here do you want that delivered from Tom

3601
02:47:40,591 --> 02:47:39,220
DeLonge the funny guy from blink 182 or

3602
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:40,601
you don't or do you want to hear that

3603
02:47:44,880 --> 02:47:43,690
from Mad Dog Madison Oh like the

3604
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:44,890
public's gonna want to hear it from the

3605
02:47:51,870 --> 02:47:48,730
funny guy you know I so there was just

3606
02:47:53,670 --> 02:47:51,880
so many things to me that were a really

3607
02:47:56,370 --> 02:47:53,680
kind of bizarre you know and just

3608
02:47:58,261 --> 02:47:56,380
knowing how the media works and when all

3609
02:48:02,120 --> 02:47:58,271
of a sudden you know the DoD is

3610
02:48:04,890 --> 02:48:02,130
releasing UFO videos you have to ask why

3611
02:48:08,250 --> 02:48:04,900
what we do how do you feel about

3612
02:48:11,910 --> 02:48:08,260
yourself now Chad because you've been

3613
02:48:14,220 --> 02:48:11,920
the go-to guy for the paranormal for so

3614
02:48:17,700 --> 02:48:14,230
many years I hear the networks and and

3615
02:48:22,740 --> 02:48:17,710
then in the feature films and now you're

3616
02:48:25,020 --> 02:48:22,750
in the UFO community do you how do you

3617
02:48:28,380 --> 02:48:25,030
how do you look at yourself

3618
02:48:31,140 --> 02:48:28,390
III I look at myself as a guest right

3619
02:48:33,960 --> 02:48:31,150
now I mean and a proud one I mean like

3620
02:48:35,850 --> 02:48:33,970
I'm I'm just as fascinated as everybody

3621
02:48:39,000 --> 02:48:35,860
else is like hey I don't want to like

3622
02:48:41,250 --> 02:48:39,010
you know make it like I'm a complete

3623
02:48:44,301 --> 02:48:41,260
fool to you know the world of the

3624
02:48:46,950 --> 02:48:44,311
apology I'm not but I'm certainly not a

3625
02:48:51,080 --> 02:48:46,960
what I would you know consider an expert

3626
02:48:53,580 --> 02:48:51,090
in it but i-i've you myself now as a

3627
02:48:57,240 --> 02:48:53,590
documentarian that came across an

3628
02:49:00,511 --> 02:48:57,250
incredible case and and the public said

3629
02:49:03,180 --> 02:49:00,521
take another look you know and I think

3630
02:49:04,680 --> 02:49:03,190
maybe if someone with a stronger ego

3631
02:49:09,030 --> 02:49:04,690
would have stomped his foot and said no

3632
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:09,040
I'm right but I'm not you know my goal

3633
02:49:13,830 --> 02:49:10,720
in being a documentary among

3634
02:49:16,170 --> 02:49:13,840
documentarian is to follow the facts and

3635
02:49:19,680 --> 02:49:16,180
expose as much truth as I possibly can

3636
02:49:22,200 --> 02:49:19,690
and it's just taking me down this road

3637
02:49:25,801 --> 02:49:22,210
in which there are some massive

3638
02:49:27,390 --> 02:49:25,811
questions that are unanswered and a lot

3639
02:49:30,480 --> 02:49:27,400
of things that are pointing towards the

3640
02:49:32,250 --> 02:49:30,490
direction so to ignore it would be would

3641
02:49:35,310 --> 02:49:32,260
be kind of productive as to what I'm

3642
02:49:38,130 --> 02:49:35,320
doing as a filmmaker but as far as the

3643
02:49:40,830 --> 02:49:38,140
UFO gee world so far everyone has been

3644
02:49:43,710 --> 02:49:40,840
incredibly cool I've had some

3645
02:49:45,480 --> 02:49:43,720
standoffish this from a few people that

3646
02:49:46,010 --> 02:49:45,490
are kinda like what do you do it over

3647
02:49:48,800 --> 02:49:46,020
here

3648
02:49:50,359 --> 02:49:48,810
that type of thing you know but for the

3649
02:49:53,899 --> 02:49:50,369
most part everyone's been really really

3650
02:49:57,019 --> 02:49:53,909
cool and I think when people watch the

3651
02:50:00,349 --> 02:49:57,029
film they see that that I'm not trying

3652
02:50:01,580 --> 02:50:00,359
to make it about me and my knowledge and

3653
02:50:02,929 --> 02:50:01,590
I'm the expert

3654
02:50:05,359 --> 02:50:02,939
you know what I mean like I'm not trying

3655
02:50:07,429 --> 02:50:05,369
to do that at all I'm literally just

3656
02:50:11,260 --> 02:50:07,439
trying to present the case as it came to

3657
02:50:14,090 --> 02:50:11,270
me and and hopefully work with people to

3658
02:50:16,279 --> 02:50:14,100
continue to find more answers I wanted

3659
02:50:18,620 --> 02:50:16,289
to I wanted to ask you this earlier and

3660
02:50:19,969 --> 02:50:18,630
so I'm going to get it in before the end

3661
02:50:22,580 --> 02:50:19,979
of the show here and thank you for doing

3662
02:50:25,309 --> 02:50:22,590
this overtime with us it's just a

3663
02:50:28,639 --> 02:50:25,319
fantastic conversation but two three

3664
02:50:31,929 --> 02:50:28,649
four years ago ghost hunter Chad right

3665
02:50:34,639 --> 02:50:31,939
yeah had you even heard the word

3666
02:50:39,109 --> 02:50:34,649
disclosure did you know anything about

3667
02:50:42,620 --> 02:50:39,119
it yeah you know two or three years ago

3668
02:50:46,790 --> 02:50:42,630
yeah yeah it was I got interested in it

3669
02:50:54,559 --> 02:50:46,800
just interested about four or five years

3670
02:50:56,420 --> 02:50:54,569
ago through that the case in O'Hare with

3671
02:51:00,109 --> 02:50:56,430
where dan Aykroyd swept up the footage

3672
02:51:02,660 --> 02:51:00,119
yes and I did a short short documentary

3673
02:51:05,090 --> 02:51:02,670
just about on that case and it wasn't

3674
02:51:07,340 --> 02:51:05,100
about the world as a whole of the UFO

3675
02:51:09,950 --> 02:51:07,350
and then and then and then I believe

3676
02:51:12,050 --> 02:51:09,960
I've had one sighting and I did a short

3677
02:51:13,429 --> 02:51:12,060
15 like minute film on that it was just

3678
02:51:16,609 --> 02:51:13,439
about that sighting it was when I was

3679
02:51:18,139 --> 02:51:16,619
filming a music video out here in LA and

3680
02:51:20,689 --> 02:51:18,149
I saw something over the Catalina

3681
02:51:23,510 --> 02:51:20,699
channel and then through research I

3682
02:51:26,149 --> 02:51:23,520
learned locally that a lot of people see

3683
02:51:27,859 --> 02:51:26,159
UFOs and UFOs between here and the

3684
02:51:31,639 --> 02:51:27,869
Catalina channel mm-hmm

3685
02:51:34,819 --> 02:51:31,649
but that's you know beyond those

3686
02:51:37,580 --> 02:51:34,829
specific cases I would say my knowledge

3687
02:51:40,309 --> 02:51:37,590
was you know I'm the same as most people

3688
02:51:44,840 --> 02:51:40,319
you know I knew knew about Roswell and I

3689
02:51:47,149 --> 02:51:44,850
never knew about all the heavy handed

3690
02:51:51,050 --> 02:51:47,159
different conspiracies within the

3691
02:51:52,939 --> 02:51:51,060
conspiracy I never knew about there was

3692
02:51:55,030 --> 02:51:52,949
supposed to be more than one Roswell

3693
02:51:56,920 --> 02:51:55,040
thing that went down

3694
02:52:01,440 --> 02:51:56,930
four or five years ago I had never heard

3695
02:52:04,870 --> 02:52:01,450
of Blue Beam I had never heard of like

3696
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:04,880
fake alien invasion or like anything

3697
02:52:11,350 --> 02:52:08,570
like that I certainly never thought that

3698
02:52:12,700 --> 02:52:11,360
I would be making a film anything this

3699
02:52:19,110 --> 02:52:12,710
heavy-handed into the world of you

3700
02:52:23,020 --> 02:52:19,120
ethology you you cover in in to face

3701
02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:23,030
what I enjoyed about it is that your

3702
02:52:31,210 --> 02:52:26,960
coverage of the UFO phenomenon from so

3703
02:52:34,870 --> 02:52:31,220
many different angles was pretty pretty

3704
02:52:37,810 --> 02:52:34,880
good but also a little bit innocent you

3705
02:52:42,610 --> 02:52:37,820
know in that you you are going into this

3706
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:42,620
trying to investigate the information as

3707
02:52:48,040 --> 02:52:44,720
it is coming in but you didn't know a

3708
02:52:49,980 --> 02:52:48,050
whole lot about any of this and so from

3709
02:52:53,170 --> 02:52:49,990
somebody that you know of a novice

3710
02:52:57,220 --> 02:52:53,180
position is getting into some very heavy

3711
02:52:59,530 --> 02:52:57,230
subjects very very quickly yeah and the

3712
02:53:01,960 --> 02:52:59,540
thing is I think what you're seeing in

3713
02:53:04,930 --> 02:53:01,970
there is as someone who is very well

3714
02:53:07,841 --> 02:53:04,940
versed in the spiritual side I have to

3715
02:53:09,850 --> 02:53:07,851
consider that if tomorrow somebody just

3716
02:53:12,280 --> 02:53:09,860
said I want to jump into the world of

3717
02:53:15,551 --> 02:53:12,290
ghosts and and entities and stuff like

3718
02:53:17,920 --> 02:53:15,561
that there would be a lot initially that

3719
02:53:20,261 --> 02:53:17,930
they would think was insane that they

3720
02:53:21,551 --> 02:53:20,271
would come to learn over time is not so

3721
02:53:24,670 --> 02:53:21,561
insane right

3722
02:53:27,250 --> 02:53:24,680
so I had to like also consider that like

3723
02:53:30,160 --> 02:53:27,260
when I was learning all this stuff and

3724
02:53:32,410 --> 02:53:30,170
researching of all this information I

3725
02:53:34,930 --> 02:53:32,420
had to like keep that open mind like

3726
02:53:38,070 --> 02:53:34,940
this sounds so crazy like the first time

3727
02:53:41,140 --> 02:53:38,080
you hear the Admiral Byrd story of

3728
02:53:43,660 --> 02:53:41,150
operation Highjump and you're reading

3729
02:53:47,020 --> 02:53:43,670
supposedly he had a documentary and he

3730
02:53:49,330 --> 02:53:47,030
went to middle-earth or a garça or some

3731
02:53:51,820 --> 02:53:49,340
something he met with these people and

3732
02:53:55,210 --> 02:53:51,830
anything it was just like you're going

3733
02:53:58,000 --> 02:53:55,220
this is so far out there you know how

3734
02:54:01,600 --> 02:53:58,010
could this be but then you start kind of

3735
02:54:04,810 --> 02:54:01,610
paring away of what is more than likely

3736
02:54:06,330 --> 02:54:04,820
myth versus reality and even the reality

3737
02:54:09,179 --> 02:54:06,340
that you're left with is

3738
02:54:14,040 --> 02:54:09,189
credible so I really just wanted to like

3739
02:54:17,310 --> 02:54:14,050
not overtly dismiss anything until I saw

3740
02:54:19,500 --> 02:54:17,320
it through just because I know if people

3741
02:54:20,940 --> 02:54:19,510
came into the paranormal side there were

3742
02:54:22,440 --> 02:54:20,950
things that they would you know start

3743
02:54:25,469 --> 02:54:22,450
talking about different classifications

3744
02:54:27,060 --> 02:54:25,479
of of ghosts and and whether it's

3745
02:54:29,070 --> 02:54:27,070
talking about the demonic negatives or

3746
02:54:32,099 --> 02:54:29,080
shadow people or whatever that it would

3747
02:54:34,110 --> 02:54:32,109
be confusing if not it would sound crazy

3748
02:54:37,050 --> 02:54:34,120
to someone who is not heavily involved

3749
02:54:39,630 --> 02:54:37,060
so I really did try to like honor the

3750
02:54:41,790 --> 02:54:39,640
field when I went through it has to not

3751
02:54:44,730 --> 02:54:41,800
give any kind of a even if I thought

3752
02:54:47,790 --> 02:54:44,740
something was completely just totally

3753
02:54:49,650 --> 02:54:47,800
crazy you know I wanted to honor the

3754
02:54:50,639 --> 02:54:49,660
fact that maybe I just don't know the

3755
02:54:53,010 --> 02:54:50,649
whole story yet

3756
02:54:54,389 --> 02:54:53,020
you know and I think that's probably

3757
02:54:57,840 --> 02:54:54,399
probably incidents that you're seeing is

3758
02:54:59,790 --> 02:54:57,850
that I'm really just trying to source

3759
02:55:04,560 --> 02:54:59,800
through the material that was presented

3760
02:55:07,190 --> 02:55:04,570
to me from Skyfall from the catchy

3761
02:55:10,370 --> 02:55:07,200
spaceman and also from my own research

3762
02:55:13,139 --> 02:55:10,380
and and try to just tell her on a story

3763
02:55:17,270 --> 02:55:13,149
and the one thing I did get from

3764
02:55:19,530 --> 02:55:17,280
watching a couple UFO documentaries is

3765
02:55:23,700 --> 02:55:19,540
the UF ology has some strong

3766
02:55:25,620 --> 02:55:23,710
personalities in it and there's there

3767
02:55:26,790 --> 02:55:25,630
seems to be like to mean there seems to

3768
02:55:31,110 --> 02:55:26,800
be like a couple different groups

3769
02:55:33,450 --> 02:55:31,120
there's a group of people who kind of

3770
02:55:35,310 --> 02:55:33,460
want to work within a community to come

3771
02:55:37,530 --> 02:55:35,320
up with an answer and then there's a

3772
02:55:39,960 --> 02:55:37,540
group of people that that believe they

3773
02:55:42,210 --> 02:55:39,970
know that believe they have the answers

3774
02:55:44,360 --> 02:55:42,220
and if you don't like fall into that

3775
02:55:47,340 --> 02:55:44,370
world and there have a problem with you

3776
02:55:50,700 --> 02:55:47,350
that was kind of my take from it well

3777
02:55:52,349 --> 02:55:50,710
you're smart yeah and I definitely don't

3778
02:55:54,090 --> 02:55:52,359
want to be that guy that's like if you

3779
02:55:55,200 --> 02:55:54,100
don't believe what I believe you are

3780
02:55:59,250 --> 02:55:55,210
ridiculous

3781
02:56:01,830 --> 02:55:59,260
you know because man what I've learned

3782
02:56:03,660 --> 02:56:01,840
about the paranormal field is every

3783
02:56:05,610 --> 02:56:03,670
answer you get spawns a dozen new

3784
02:56:08,520 --> 02:56:05,620
questions it's the same thing you know

3785
02:56:11,610 --> 02:56:08,530
it's the same thing in ufology it's the

3786
02:56:13,770 --> 02:56:11,620
very same thing but thank you for the

3787
02:56:15,690 --> 02:56:13,780
documentary it's amazing I highly

3788
02:56:18,120 --> 02:56:15,700
recommend it and the links are up to it

3789
02:56:20,610 --> 02:56:18,130
now and is there going to be

3790
02:56:23,639 --> 02:56:20,620
I'm sure you're working on is there

3791
02:56:26,310 --> 02:56:23,649
going to be a two-faced part 3 there

3792
02:56:29,940 --> 02:56:26,320
will be a trilogy you know it's it's

3793
02:56:32,790 --> 02:56:29,950
ongoing and it's happening now and you

3794
02:56:34,800 --> 02:56:32,800
know I have a have a GoPro running on me

3795
02:56:37,260 --> 02:56:34,810
right now you know and you just never

3796
02:56:39,030 --> 02:56:37,270
know when it's gonna happen and what is

3797
02:56:41,070 --> 02:56:39,040
going to happen but you know you've

3798
02:56:44,580 --> 02:56:41,080
already seen you know one of the photos

3799
02:56:46,889 --> 02:56:44,590
from what has occurred and you know the

3800
02:56:49,860 --> 02:56:46,899
story is ongoing I definitely have to

3801
02:56:52,139 --> 02:56:49,870
get back over there which people

3802
02:56:55,950 --> 02:56:52,149
understand when they watch the film as

3803
02:57:00,560 --> 02:56:55,960
to why but there has to be an answer to

3804
02:57:03,690 --> 02:57:00,570
this there has to be some sort of

3805
02:57:05,340 --> 02:57:03,700
resolve and that may not mean

3806
02:57:07,310 --> 02:57:05,350
necessarily an ending but at least an

3807
02:57:09,990 --> 02:57:07,320
understanding as to what is going on

3808
02:57:13,160 --> 02:57:10,000
because there's there's too many answers

3809
02:57:16,260 --> 02:57:13,170
that lead to too many unanswered things

3810
02:57:18,810 --> 02:57:16,270
so you know we definitely got to you

3811
02:57:20,790 --> 02:57:18,820
know go where the truth takes us man and

3812
02:57:24,630 --> 02:57:20,800
and for the people that are listening in

3813
02:57:27,000 --> 02:57:24,640
the audience please see this documentary

3814
02:57:28,770 --> 02:57:27,010
it is one of the most honest things

3815
02:57:31,050 --> 02:57:28,780
you'll ever see from a very real

3816
02:57:33,750 --> 02:57:31,060
investigation you know about very real

3817
02:57:36,179 --> 02:57:33,760
people and I think everyone will see

3818
02:57:40,170 --> 02:57:36,189
that as well so and Jimmy I can't thank

3819
02:57:43,380 --> 02:57:40,180
you enough for the time you were the

3820
02:57:45,540 --> 02:57:43,390
first guy that you know I messaged and I

3821
02:57:49,380 --> 02:57:45,550
thought you would give it an honest look

3822
02:57:51,270 --> 02:57:49,390
and I super appreciate everything you've

3823
02:57:54,570 --> 02:57:51,280
done man it means a lot to me thank you

3824
02:57:57,060 --> 02:57:54,580
so much Chad and you know I gotta give

3825
02:57:59,820 --> 02:57:57,070
you my best piece of advice keep rolling

3826
02:58:02,460 --> 02:57:59,830
that rock uphill because that's patsy

3827
02:58:07,410 --> 02:58:02,470
way keep rolling the rock uphill because

3828
02:58:10,020 --> 02:58:07,420
that's welcome to the community Chad

3829
02:58:12,750 --> 02:58:10,030
enjoy the rest of your night and we'll

3830
02:58:14,219 --> 02:58:12,760
be talking soon thank you so much thanks

3831
02:58:17,639 --> 02:58:14,229
brother thanks everybody for listening

3832
02:58:20,760 --> 02:58:17,649
taka-kun Chad Kayla and the film is

3833
02:58:23,429 --> 02:58:20,770
called to face the gray and like I said

3834
02:58:26,400 --> 02:58:23,439
it's very simple go to Jimmy Church

3835
02:58:28,380 --> 02:58:26,410
radio calm the links are right there go

3836
02:58:29,729 --> 02:58:28,390
and check it out check out cirno phase 2

3837
02:58:33,300 --> 02:58:29,739
as well

3838
02:58:35,579 --> 02:58:33,310
right part 1 and bar - all right

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02:58:37,139 --> 02:58:35,589
fade to black executive producer is Rita

3840
02:58:40,050 --> 02:58:37,149
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02:58:43,489 --> 02:58:40,060
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3842
02:58:46,349 --> 02:58:43,499
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3843
02:58:49,529 --> 02:58:46,359
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3844
02:58:50,579 --> 02:58:49,539
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3845
02:58:53,819 --> 02:58:50,589
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02:58:57,630 --> 02:58:53,829
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3847
02:58:59,010 --> 02:58:57,640
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3848
02:59:01,380 --> 02:58:59,020
you to Chad Kayla

3849
02:59:02,939 --> 02:59:01,390
tomorrow night Linda Moulton Howe right

3850
02:59:06,659 --> 02:59:02,949
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3851
02:59:08,489 --> 02:59:06,669
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02:59:11,039 --> 02:59:08,499
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3853
02:59:12,659 --> 02:59:11,049
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02:59:15,119 --> 02:59:12,669
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02:59:17,130 --> 02:59:15,129
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3857
02:59:22,829 --> 02:59:19,479
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3858
02:59:26,309 --> 02:59:22,839
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02:59:27,029 --> 02:59:26,319
simple until tomorrow night everybody be

3860
02:59:31,510 --> 02:59:27,039
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